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Old 01-17-2012, 06:16   #1
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Top four sub-compact .40 pistols? (revised)

What are the four best sub-compact .40 pistols, in your opinion?

Will be used for IWB carry. Please explain the reason you chose at least one of them.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:14   #2
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LOL... maybe you should go to a gunshop? There's a lot of 40 cal pistols out there, narrowing down the "top 4" is gonna be near impossible, and will be highly opinionated.

I like all of the Glock models myself, own em, carry em, happy with em.

There's other good ones though, the XD's are good (own em), etc.. it's just a matter of opinion.

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Old 01-17-2012, 07:19   #3
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I'm looking for opinions from people on a gun forum. That's why I posted this.

You like Glocks. Is it their reliability? Do you like the fit? And you like XD's. What do you like most about them?
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:26   #4
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I love my XD. It just feels right in my hand, and the way it just falls on target is perfect fot my shooting style.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:38   #5
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I own an often carry a 27. A thousand rounds and perfect so far. Additionally if you want to carry it the gun is easy to conceal. You will also find a ton of holster options. I think the go to a gun store suggestion is a good one. After you narrow it down you can handle your fav's. Some folks think the 27 is a little snappy. Doesn't bother me but it is something to consider.
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Old 01-17-2012, 07:40   #6
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My top four would be:

Smith M&P 40C
Springer XDm 40 Compact
Kahr PM40
Glock G27
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Old 01-17-2012, 08:27   #7
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What are the four best compact .40 pistols, in your opinion? ....
Four Glock 23's!









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Old 01-17-2012, 09:07   #8
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1. Glock 23/27
2. Springfield XDm 3.8c
3. Ruger SR40c
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Old 01-17-2012, 09:14   #9
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SIG P229 SAS2T is my favorite. The only other .40 I owned is a G27 and a XD. I guess you could put them 2nd and 3rd. I no longer own them.
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Four Glock 23's!
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+1 for the Glock 23. Other choices of mine would be the Springfield Armory EMP, and the SA XD(m) 40, and the Walther PPQ/PPS.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:28   #11
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The HK P2000SK is a sweet little shooter that really tames the .40's snap.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:44   #12
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Not sure about top 4 but I'd love a Kahr MK40 if I could afford it.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:54   #13
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1. Glock 23/27
2. Springfield XDm 3.8c
3. Ruger SR40c
4. Sig 229
I like this list.
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Old 01-17-2012, 11:56   #14
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I love my Glock 27. Very nice little gun. Snappy? Maybe just a tad bit but I kind of enjoy the sting. Gets the adrenaline going. Feels right in my hand. 1200 rounds so far, never a single hiccup. Eats any ammo like a fat kid eats cake. It also enjoys the factory glock 22rnd mags. Small enough to carry comfortable and still packs a nice punch. Has the Pearce +1 grip extender, only mod I've done is polishing the barrel/feed ramp, mostly for aesthetic reasons, but I'd like to think maybe the smoother feed ramp feeds ever so slightly better.


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Old 01-17-2012, 11:57   #15
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I got to shoot the Walther P99c in 40 S&W and it is very nice compact pistol. I'd have to rate it as one of the top ones.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:01   #16
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Just compact .40's? Considering that one manufacturer's "compact" is the same size as another manufacturer's sub-compact, I'd think the compact venue can be considered along with the subcompact venue for the purpose of this thread.

I own a 4013TSW, 4040PD, G27 & a M&P 40c. Not only am I an owner, but I've also attended some armorer classes for those model lines. (8 classes, combined)

The 4013TSW is great to shoot, albeit easier with the wrap-around Hogue grips installed. Better controllability with the Hogue installed, compared to the Delrin's short grip backstrap which tends to end in a sharp manner in the middle of my hand. Decent TDA (DA/SA) trigger and practical accuracy.

The 4040PD feels like a 3913 stuffed with hard-recoiling .40 loads, which is essentially what it is, after all is said and done. A bit snappy in muzzle whip. Similar TDA trigger and decent practical accuracy when compared to the 4013TSW. Slimmer grip profile, though, being reminiscent of the 3913.

The G27 offers the typical chunky Glock grip and downward sloping trigger (versus the nice revolver-like curved trigger of many of the other available pistols). Acceptable service-like trigger and decent practical accuracy.

The M&P 40c offers the most versatile grip of the bunch, being able to better fit a disparate range of hands. Natural balance and grip angle (meaning similar to the "standby" pistols, such as the Browning HP, Colt Gov Model, Sig Classic series, Beretta 92, etc). Nice trigger shape and reach. Yes, some folks seem compelled to find fault with the "trigger reset" S&W engineer's designed into the pistol (which is soft and not in the least distracting). Personally, since I use my M&P's for defensive shooting training & practice, shooting to "trigger recovery" and not "reset", I find it just fine. Trigger break is predictable and clean, although the take-up can be variable in weight and smoothness from one example to another. (The factory rating for trigger weight has a +/- 2 lbs tolerance. Felt recoil is a bit more like a G23 than a G27, although it's essentially similar to the G27 in overall size. Practical accuracy is just fine.

So, which of them do I carry when I decide to carry a .40?

It's usually a toss-up between the G27 and the 40c. The 40c weighs something like a couple of ounces more than the G27. (Well, it does have the pair of steel sub-chassis straps molded into the frame, and the slide is a bit more robust at a couple of spots.) While the 40c has a smoother trigger (which feels lighter but is actually a bit heavier - go figure) than the G27, and the gun has better overall ergonomics, something about the little G27 simply suits me well enough that I continue to carry it upon occasion. It probably helps that I've fired more than 11,000 rounds through it since I bought it used.

Now, as a firearms instructor I've had my chance to handle and fire other smallish .40's over the years. The four .40's I own and listed are simply the ones that interested me enough to make me want to spend my own money on them.

Another compact which has always impressed me in 9mm is the Walther 99 series. I came close to buying a SW9940c one time (the S&W licensed compact version of the P99 AS compact .40). I carried an issued full-size SW9940 for a few years, and I've owned a similar one much longer. It's just that after shooting the compact .40 models for a while I decided I like the 99 series best when chambered in 9mm, in the compact models. Having taken the SW99/P99 armorer class a few times, I've also been impressed with both of those model lines, too.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:20   #17
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in my opinion from what ive shot..

1. G23/G27
2. M&P40c
3.Sig p229
4.XDM

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I love my Walther PPS 40 cal.
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Old 01-17-2012, 14:18   #20
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Old 01-17-2012, 14:59   #21
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You need an H&K p2000sk with an LEM trigger in the mix too.
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Old 01-17-2012, 15:00   #22
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I am personally not a fan of anything compact and .40 caliber. I CCW a Sig P239 in 9mm. If I had to rank .40's for IWB carry it would have to be:

1. P239 (a great choice for IWB, single stack and thin, just low on rounds)
2. P229 (great gun but a little chunky for IWB)
3. G23 (great gun but I find the recoil pretty snappy)
4. S&W 4013TSW (thin single stack .40 built like a tank)
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4. S&W 4013TSW (thin single stack .40 built like a tank)
Are you thinking about the original 4013 (pre-TSW)? It was built on the first .45 compact alloy frame being developed. Single column magazine.

The 4013TSW was essentially built on a beefed up 69XX compact frame and uses a 9-rd staggered column magazine.

The CS40 was another single column mag .40 essentially built on a similar .45 frame (CS45).

I rather like my 4040PD for being a slim and lightweight single column .40 compact. It has a bit of a bark & bite, though. I find it much more noticeable than even shooting a lot of +P+ loads in my 3913.

Thinking about this subject, I remember when I had the chance to do some shooting with a Kahr K40 and a MK40 belonging to different cops who brought them through our range for quals. Although I don't particularly care for the Kahr model line, I found the larger K40 agreeable enough (although heavy for its size, of course).

The smaller MK40 had more felt recoil for its weight than I expected (or the owner expected, for that matter), and if I were to choose between my 4040PD and the MK40, I'd still opt for the 4040PD. Even lighter it seemed more easily controllable.
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Old 01-17-2012, 15:22   #24
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The sub compact xd is a pretty sweet shooter. 3 inch barrel. 9 + 1 with standard magazine or 12 + 1 with the xtended mag. I like being able to choose between a normal grip or a sub compact one
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