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Old 01-23-2012, 18:37   #41
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Old 01-23-2012, 18:54   #42
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Old 01-23-2012, 18:55   #43
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I own an M&P Sport and think its a good rifle. That being said, I wish I had the patience to save an extra $300 dollars for a Colt 6920. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the rifle, but I like the look of an upper with FA/DA. IMO, S&W probably saved about zero omitting those features and did it for no other reason than product differentiation from its more expensive ARs. Its barrel is accurate and the Melonite coating is almost as durable as Chrome lining. Additionally, My gun shoots the same as my friends 6920, has a better trigger and has less slop between the upper/lower.

Funny thing about my AR is that I've spent almost as much dressing it up as I would've spent on a Colt. $639 for the gun, $120 for Magpul MOE furniture and another $45 for a BCM Gunfighter charging handle. I would've bought the same stuff for the Colt though.

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Old 01-23-2012, 18:57   #44
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I really like mine. Granted, I'm not an "operator", haven't been to any carbine classes and only have a few hundred rounds through it so far. As you can see I swapped out the factory stock for an ACE Socom, To me it feels more sturdy than most the other collapsible stocks. Really the only issue I had was that it didn't like the hard primers used in most steel case ammo. I put in an extra power hammer spring (cheap and easy fix) and haven't had anymore issues.
Sure you could save up another 3-400 bucks and get a Colt, or you could buy the Sport and use that money for a bunch of Pmags and ammo.

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Old 01-23-2012, 19:02   #45
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Its more like a Corolla vs a Avalon IMO.
Avalon "gun" would shoot a .308

The point was - both will get you to work on time -
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Old 01-23-2012, 19:07   #46
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I bought a sportical a few years ago to defend myself at the range from all the evil paper. To this day, it still does what I got it for and is still a fun gun. If it is to be a range toy, you do not need a dust cover or a forward assist for it to work but you will need some kind of optics or sights as the sportical comes with none. Haven't held the m&p but looke like it has a front sight so factor this into you price. Either way, get what you like and enjoy.
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:21   #47
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A friend just bought a Sport from Cabela's and loves it. It is a well made rifle, at a price point that many can afford. You need not spend more to get what you probably don't need, hence the reason why S&W made this particular rifle. It fills a niche very nicely and with an optic (Nikon M223 scope on a detachable mount in my friend's case) this rig is perfect for range use. Once you realize you can save up a few hundred and get a Colt, well then you can up a few hundred and get something else with a piston. And if you save a few hundred more, then. . . well you get the picture. Bottom line is the Sport model is a great rifle at a great price.
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Old 02-16-2012, 22:26   #48
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I'm in a similar position and have been looking at basic good quality ARs as I save. My goal is to shoot 3 gun in 2012. ARs have been scarce and prices have risen steadily. The price leaders have been consistently backordered. The s&w was at the top of my list but either unavailable or offered at sick prices. Yes I pondered saving for the Colt with starter range guns inching up. I have my muck and mire AKs and AM only looking for a range gun in this caliber. A trusted dealer appeared yesterday (on line) with DPMS Sporticals for $600. I jumped on it and will report on what sights I use and how it meets my need. Truth is if I won Powerball I'd be shopping very differently in many areas. Such is life and frankly I'm having a ball. Last weekend I shot an IDPA match with an added BUG class. A great time was had by all and we're better for it. BUG gun 5 shot stations. Everyone should try it.
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Old 02-18-2012, 00:21   #49
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My honest opinion is most people spend too much on ARs, including myself, and you don't always get what you paid for something, including ARs. With high end whatevers you generally spend more and more money for increasingly marginal high end features. The corolla/Lexus comparison is interesting, a lot of people have gotten pretty good use out of corollas and been happy with them, particularly those on budgets. I've seen plenty of broken Colt made M16s, that is why units have extra rifles. At any given time 3-5% of them are down. I've bent a barrel on a parachute jump myself. The vast majority of people will never do more than shoot at paper on a range or if using it in HD will never fire a full magazine through it. Frankly, they only need a corolla and will be well served by one.

I like a dust cover but I live in the desert and dust gets everywhere, even in closets. I like a forward assist, using your thumb into the notch is fine with a cold weapon. Do that with a gun you just fired a magazine out of could leave a mark and its what I was trained for. Saying that, its not that important and certainly would not be a deal breaker, I think I used one once or twice in twenty years in the Army.
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Old 02-18-2012, 00:53   #50
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2800 reloads through my Sport, no major issues.

Color me ignorant, but in what way is a $900 rifle better than the Sport if you're using it for Range and HD use?
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:00   #51
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I have owned a half dozen ar,s and once a DPM sportacal. All I own now is the SW Sport its a fine rifle ,no problems and better than some M4 clones I had. Its a good rifle for sure for any purpose or protection of the home.
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:16   #52
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I love these types of threads. I would love to own a Noveske rifle, but for 2K+ I'll just use Noveske parts on my S&W Sport. I got $630 in my sport, now with a few added personal preferenses, this rifle works. WHEN I drop it and get it scratched up and dirty, bang it around in the brush, and shoot the infamous TulAmmo. I don't feel so bad, but I get the performance for whatever crazy activity that I'm indulging in. I like it and it has taken all the abuse I have put it through without a wimper.

Just my experinces with the S&W Sport, just my story, but I'm sticking to it (and my Sport).
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Old 02-18-2012, 08:32   #53
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the M&P lower on the sport of good quality and highly regarded. If so, down the road, a person could pick up an "" upper and be in great shape. You would have a plinker for practice, and a operator quality upper for all your tactical missions.

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Old 02-18-2012, 09:33   #54
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I will leave mine stock it don,t need anything other than the $500 aimpoint site&mount and more Magpul magazines and ammo I bought for it. Its my housegun&camp gun.
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I have zero experience with the DPMS, but the M&P sport is hard to beat for the money. I consider it a "range only" gun, but it is a great shooter.

Reliable and accurate.

Its a great choice for someone who doesn't need a rifle fit for the battlefield or patrol.
That's my experience with the M&P exactly. Honestly, other than lacking the dust cover, I would have very few issues with using it as a socially serious weapon. The main thing I did with mine was replace the furniture with Magpul, mostly for personal preference, but also the factory handguard doesn't have a heat shield at all in it.
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Old 02-18-2012, 11:14   #56
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According to the "experts", DPMS and S&W are at the bottom of the fabled "AR15 Tier". I mean, they aren't parked under the FSB for Gods sake.

Save up the extra 1200 and get a decent AR15.


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Old 02-18-2012, 14:28   #57
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Yes after the Sport MP15 and Aimpoint site +mount 5 more magpul mags and 500rds of ball ammo I got near $1500.00 into the set-up. Great rifle! All I need and nothing I don,t.

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Old 02-18-2012, 15:10   #58
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Originally Posted by JaPes View Post
Thank you sir! I understand how tiring it can be to answer the same question again and again. I do appreciate you taking the time out to give out some advice.

I didn't think to keep a build's stripped lower & upper from the same manufacturer due to finish differences. I'm banging my head against the desk for not thinking about that. I'll have to deal with that bone-headed mistake when I finally decide on a complete upper. I'm taking my time so I can figure things out.

I've held a Colt 6920. The local FFL had one at a recent gun show. The end-customer let me handle it. I had to keep my drool off it. I hear nothing but good things about it. A Colt is definitely on the distant future buy list.

I understand dropping $2K on a Noveseke rifle. Like everything, there's a measure of truth in the saying "you get what you pay for". I put it in context of my former sport bike riding days. While I loved my CBR 600rr, I knew it was not even close to any Italian bike. They're both sport bikes, and both grossly do the same thing. The difference was in the fine details that affected the overall experience.
You did right by building your own lower. I have built (a few) myself and enjoy it tremendously. I usually use DD parts kits but the last build I put together for a friend of mine I used a PSA kit and it worked really well.

I love motorcycles. Wish I could afford an italian or heck even a nice BMW would be nice... I think it would be hard to explain to someone that only shoots HiPoint pistols to change over to Glocks. HiPoints work for the most part & they go bang. Same to be said about folks who smoke factory rolled cigars what the difference is between that Philly or SwisherSweet they have in their hand and a CAO, Maximus, or Ashton. It is something you just have to experience and we have all been there. I guess folks just have to learn for themselves and if they never have had a premium cigar or rode a premium bike then I guess they will never miss a thing.
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