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Old 01-23-2012, 21:11   #1
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Speer Gold Dot 124gr (not +P)

What do you guys think of the Speer Gold Dot 124gr (not +P).

my buddy got a box of 50 and wanted me to ask - i usually always buy the +p

anyone carry this round?

Why would i want this over the +P round?
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Old 01-23-2012, 21:58   #2
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Little less recoil, though +P and standard aren't that different. Should be a good round to carry.
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Old 01-24-2012, 03:18   #3
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I sell a lot of the standard pressure Gold Dot. The market has been shifting in that direction since the 90's.

Still for my company the 9mm +P GD is the best seller in that product line. However for Federal Remington and Winchester the 147 9mm far out sell the medium and light weight +P or +P+ offerings.
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Old 01-24-2012, 05:12   #4
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What do you guys think of the Speer Gold Dot 124gr (not +P).

my buddy got a box of 50 and wanted me to ask - i usually always buy the +p

anyone carry this round?

Why would i want this over the +P round?
ATK's own laboratory comparison tests of their premium JHP self-defense ammos show only slight differences between the standard pressure and +P rounds. The more significant differences are between bonded and non-bonded rounds, depending on the control test medium.

My understanding is the chief advantage of +P pressure is it sometimes adds reliability to the cycling of the slide in some guns. Then again, in other guns the manufacturer warns not to shoot +P ammo.

I would carry the standard pressure 124-grain Speer Gold Dot without any qualms.
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Old 01-24-2012, 20:24   #5
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The velocity difference between the GD 124 and GD 124+P is only about 50FPS, so performance-wise it's pretty much a toss-up.

I prefer the 124+P variety, but that's mainly for the extra bit of slide velocity it offers, not any real performance advantage.
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I would trust either with my life. Speer Gold Dots are a very good round.
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I would also trust either round with my life. I bought the +P's because that is all they had for good LEO ammo at the time.
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Old 01-26-2012, 19:29   #8
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What do you guys think of the Speer Gold Dot 124gr (not +P).

my buddy got a box of 50 and wanted me to ask - i usually always buy the +p

anyone carry this round?

Why would i want this over the +P round?

9x19 Win Ranger +P+ |115@1320, 21.7 mv, 444 E|BR 9.6", 0.53", 2.11cu|CL 10.2", 0.65", 3.37cu|avg 2.74, 3.89 re, 0.70
9x19 - caliber
Win Ranger +P+ - the name of the load
115@1320 - bullet mass in grains @ muzzle velocity
21.7 mv - bullet momentum in lb*fps
444 E - muzzle energy in ftlbs
BR - what follows is the data for bare gelatin
9.6" inches of penetration
0.53", final expanded diameter of bullet
2.11 cu, approximation of wound volume. (this does not take into account the expansion profile as a function of depth, but it should be roughly proportionate to actual wound volume)
CL - what follows is the data for clothed gelatin
same fields as the bare gelatin, as defined above
avg 2.74 - Average wound volume, clothed and bare gelatin
3.89 re - Free Recoil Energy, assuming a 1.88 lb pistol
0.70 - Average would volume per unit Free Recoil Energy.
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9x19 CCI/Speer GD+P |124@1155, 20.5 mv, 367 E|BR 13.2", 0.62", 3.99cu|CL 16.1", 0.53", 3.55cu|avg 3.77, 3.46 re, 1.09
9x19 CCI/Speer GD-- |124@1068, 18.9 mv, 314 E|BR 12.6", 0.59", 3.44cu|CL 17.5", 0.51", 3.57cu|avg 3.51, 2.96 re, 1.19
9x19 CCI/Speer GD-- |147@ 924, 19.4 mv, 278 E|BR 14.8", 0.57", 3.78cu|CL 14.7", 0.55", 3.49cu|avg 3.63, 3.11 re, 1.17

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Old 01-26-2012, 22:05   #9
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I would also trust either round with my life. I bought the +P's because that is all they had for good LEO ammo at the time.
I'd say you got the top-of-the-line 9mm JHP self-defense ammo. I'd also say if you had the standard pressure round it would be nearly the equivalent if ATK's own tests are valid.

I haven't found any Speer 124-grain Gold Dot locally but did pick up some standard pressure 115-grain Gold Dot ammo for a micro 9mm I own and I won't worry about it if I ever need to rely on it.
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