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Old 01-28-2012, 16:21   #1
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Police officer killed by another while being arrested

This story is just bad from start to finish. My heart goes out to the families of all involved, but particularly to the arresting officer. That's gone to add a bit of weight to the soul....


http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...-to-arrest-him


One note: Making this arrest, based on the circumstances given, seems odd that they would have done it while he was on duty. I'd have thought it would be a better idea to do this when he's NOT working, but what do I know?
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Old 01-28-2012, 16:46   #2
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There is a thread in GNG regarding this. There are many more questions than answers, at this point.

Will be interestting to see what else comes out about this, information wise.
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Old 01-28-2012, 16:50   #3
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Old 01-28-2012, 16:57   #4
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Who knows, on duty might be the best time....If they asked to talk with him in lockup and broke the news there.

Sad story any way you look at it.
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Old 01-28-2012, 17:08   #5
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If his response to being told he was under arrest was to draw and shoot at them he was a *********, good riddance to him.
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Old 01-28-2012, 17:11   #6
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I can't even imagine. Horrible situation all around.


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Old 01-28-2012, 17:26   #7
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If his response to being told he was under arrest was to draw and shoot at them he was a *********, good riddance to him.
Yea, good call......
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Old 01-28-2012, 17:38   #8
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He knew what would happen if he drew, I feel for the officer he forced to kill him.
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Old 01-28-2012, 17:51   #9
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He knew what would happen if he drew, I feel for the officer he forced to kill him.
Not only did he draw down, but let rounds go.......Suicide by Cop by Cop??????
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Old 01-28-2012, 17:59   #10
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He knew what would happen if he drew, I feel for the officer he forced to kill him.

His response leaves no doubt in my mind that he did what he was accused of.

Dragoon, the idea of asking him to the jail to make the arrest is genius. Probably the best possible way it could be done.

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Old 01-28-2012, 17:59   #11
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If his response to being told he was under arrest was to draw and shoot at them he was a *********, good riddance to him.
Dishonorable enough to have put himself in that position, but to force another to take action disgusts me.
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Old 01-28-2012, 18:03   #12
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Old 01-28-2012, 19:20   #13
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One of our former officers used to work at Santa Maria until becoming chief somewhere else. I hope the officer recovers fully. As to the piece of **** my he rot in hell.

The LAPD hooked up one of theirs for a murder she comitted years before by telling her a suspect in custody had info for her in another case and would only meet her in person. When she disarmed and waited for her snitch she got the suprise of a lifetime. Reading about the investigation was an interesting read. A team of detectives were handed a sealed envelope and told to open it up once the were inside the detective's apartment without being told whose house it was or what they were doing there. The envelope contained a search warrant spelling it all out.
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Old 01-28-2012, 19:25   #14
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The LAPD hooked up one of theirs for a murder she comitted years before by telling her a suspect in custody had info for her in another case and would only meet her in person. When she disarmed and waited for her snitch she got the suprise of a lifetime. Reading about the investigation was an interesting read. A team of detectives were handed a sealed envelope and told to open it up once the were inside the detective's apartment without being told whose house it was or what they were doing there. The envelope contained a search warrant spelling it all out.
Any more info on this? I'd like to read about it.
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Old 01-28-2012, 19:32   #15
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Any more info on this? I'd like to read about it.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun...tive-arrested6

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun...ective-murder9
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Old 01-28-2012, 19:42   #16
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That case really intrigued me - except for how long it took the brain-dead cops to arrest her because they didn't want to believe one of their officers could do something like that.

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Old 01-28-2012, 19:50   #17
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Another similar bizarre incident: Two cars with off duty officers in each stop at a red light, neither officer knows both are police officers, give each other "macho" stares, then verbal insults, then the finger, then road rage, then one shoots & kills the other.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGd...-83860628.html
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Another similar bizarre incident: Two cars with off duty officers in each stop at a red light, neither officer knows both are police officers, give each other "macho" stares, then verbal insults, then the finger, then road rage, then one shoots & kills the other.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGd...-83860628.html
You should really have read up on the Rampart scandal and the players involved before you posted this. Gaines was a ****head working for murdering dope dealers, and his tracking down the UC was not an accident.
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You should really have read up on the Rampart scandal and the players involved before you posted this. Gaines was a ****head working for murdering dope dealers, and his tracking down the UC was not an accident.
That would require research to make a sound, educated statement or opinion.

What we have here is angry mental ************.




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IMHO its dumb to make an arrrest of an officer thats on duty. Worst time you could do it I think. Call them in when off duty or let them know they have a warrant and need to turn self in.

Worst case they flee, best case there is no trial. Most bad officers know they did wrong. Give them days off as some issues came up, call them in and make the arrest, or set up a turn in time, or hit the house well equiped.

Delt with about the same issue as posted about a few times and am sure will deal with it again.
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IMHO its dumb to make an arrrest of an officer thats on duty. Worst time you could do it I think. Call them in when off duty or let them know they have a warrant and need to turn self in.

Worst case they flee, best case there is no trial. Most bad officers know they did wrong. Give them days off as some issues came up, call them in and make the arrest, or set up a turn in time, or hit the house well equiped.

Delt with about the same issue as posted about a few times and am sure will deal with it again.
Depending on how the department handles it, if cops go in and out of work in uniform, they have to change somewhere, right? So if I were making a suggestion, I'd say get him in the locker room in his skivvies. There's still a chance he could go for a weapon, but the likelihood of him reaching it is lower.

But that's just more MMQB from someone that's never had to deal with things like this before, and nearly certainly never will.
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Old 01-29-2012, 02:31   #24
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There are many ways to do it but yeah, I would have found a time where they were disarmed or something... like when he was in the locker changing and just tell him, get up to the sergeant's office while he is half dressed without a gun belt on or meeting him in the jail or interrogation room.
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