Mauser K98 questions

Crawdaddy · 02-01-2012, 18:05

All I have are these pics so far to go by. The guy does not know much other than it beiing a Mauser with few Nazi markings. He sent these pics. What do yall think? Should I offer him a price? I have been looking for a while and this one I am on the border about.

Crawdaddy · 02-01-2012, 18:07

raven11 · 02-01-2012, 18:38

refinished stock, missing sight hood , missing cleaning rod looks like a Russian Capture K98k

I would offer $300 but not more

427 · 02-01-2012, 18:48

Looks like a Russian Capture. Is there an "X" anywhere on the receiver? Are there electro pencil numbers on the bolt body, bolt shroud, safety, and the bottom of the magazine? Is it counterbored? Are the swastikas peened?

I wouldn't pay anymore than $350.

collim1 · 02-01-2012, 18:51

I am a sucker for surplus rifles.

Do you know this guy? is he willing to let you shoot it? Do you have a good stash/source of 8mm mauser?

If it was an above average shooter then $300 would be reasonable.

Crawdaddy · 02-01-2012, 19:10

why is the area by the cleaning rod not blued? I do not know if it is X marked. What is that red stip on the left side? Not sure about the SNs if they are matching. He lives 120 miles away so meeting halfway I want to know if it even worth to look at. I will get him on the phone be fore I decide ot asak more direct questions.

427 · 02-01-2012, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

why is the area by the cleaning rod not blued? I do not know if it is X marked. What is that red stip on the left side? Not sure about the SNs if they are matching. He lives 120 miles away so meeting halfway I want to know if it even worth to look at. I will get him on the phone be fore I decide ot asak more direct questions.

Looking at this pict again that's Russian Capture.

You can see the electro pencil on top of the bolt and the red extractor.

I have a Russian Capture that's "in the white" like that. It's just a variation. The red strip is a metal the reacted differently to the russian blueing process. It's normal. THe extractor will be the almost the same color, too. Again, it's normal.

Any idea what he's asking?

Crawdaddy · 02-01-2012, 19:36

he has not given a price yet. I was going to offer him a price if I wanted to buy it.

byf43 · 02-01-2012, 19:44

First of all. . . I am NOT an expert on K98k. I'm just a fan of the rifle!

What is the manufacturer code??? (Will be visible on the front receiver ring, on top.)
Is there an "X" aka/ 'crossed rifles' on the front receiver ring? (If so, that will be the first indicator that this is a Russian Capture.)

The bayonet lug "in the white" is a late-war lug, I do believe.
The front sight hood missing, is no big deal. These used to be available at "Springfield Sporters", online. (Cleaning rod, too.)

The flat buttplate tells me that is an early stock. The 'red' glue in between the laminate denotes an early/mid war stock. (Late war laminated stocks. . . or 'last ditch' stocks used white glue between the laminate. Very early stocks were walnut, maple, and some were even cherry.)
The 'red' glue is virtually waterproof, whereas, the 'white glue' will come apart and 'de-lam' when saturated with water.

I'll wager that the rifle is an "RC" or Russian Capture rifle.
Thousands and thousands of K98k(s) were captured, disassembled, and tossed into piles.
Then, they were 'force-matched' when reassembled, then eventually sold.

Depending on the manufacturer code and the condition of the 'marks', the rifle (to me) is worth between $250 and $500.00.

I own three K98k rifles.
These are all "RC" rifles.
The cost of each were $219.00 (byf43) on the low side, to $249.99 (ar41), to $349.00 on the high side (bnz41).

ETA: The 'red' on the left side of the receiver is most likely the 'red shellac' that the Russians covered the rifle parts with.

Crawdaddy · 02-01-2012, 19:55

Is that the "X" int he top right of this pic? It is more clear on the larger pic I have on my PC

byf43 · 02-01-2012, 20:03

Sorry. I can't really tell. (My eyes ain't what they used to be!)

Most likely, the "X" would be on the front receiver ring, where the manufacturer's code is, although, it could be on the left side of the receiver.

Here is what the manufacturer's code looks like on my first K98k:

Crawdaddy · 02-01-2012, 20:08

forgot to add this pic. Above the 43 is the "X" ?

427 · 02-01-2012, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Crawdaddy

forgot to add this pic. Above the 43 is the "X" ?

The electro pencil "83" confirms at least the bolt being a Russian Capture. The "X" might be on the far right side toward the top.

The BNZ code is Steyr-Daimler-Puch AG.

Crawdaddy · 02-02-2012, 06:43

thanks

Brucev · 02-02-2012, 07:50

If the bore is in good condition, $300 would be a fair price for the rifle.

byf43 · 02-02-2012, 08:22

Since the rifle is a bnz 43, it (to me) is worth more than $300.00.
IF the bore is in good shape, I'd go $350.00. . . maybe $400.

I'm interested in the "43" (Year manufactured) and the "bnz" (Manufacturer's code).
To me, the "bnz" is very desireable.

This would go well with my byf 43 and my Springfield Armory M1 Garand, that was built in November 1943!!

And yes, I can see the "X" or 'crossed rifles' in the glare of the camera's flash.
Definitely an "RC" rifle. (The "83" shows that it was force-matched, too.)