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Old 02-01-2012, 20:01   #1
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G17 vs 92FS in my target shooting

Beretta 92FS is my favorite gun to shoot. I've had it for a couple decades.
Glock 17 G4 is a couple months new to me, but I've had a 26 for a long time.

Nice weather today so decided to shoot them side by side. Walked 200 yards to the end of my pasture, across only light snow for this time of year. Set up my target and shot 5 rounds each, 25 yards, standing 2 handed, unrested. Then trudged back.

I need to shoot more, but here's the results. I might be pushing the Glock group up and left (I'm right handed), so I'm not moving the sights yet. The Beretta is dead on for me, but I'm getting a bit sloppy in my old age, at least there's a flyer on both sides

Any thoughts? Not sure if any experts can read the tea leaves of those patterns.

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UPDATED with another target pic posted farther into the thread at post #30 (with the Glock sight adjusted).

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Old 02-01-2012, 20:03   #2
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That's actually not bad shooting standing at 25 yards.
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Old 02-01-2012, 20:14   #3
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Nice twist on the Glock vs Beretta thing. Both excelent guns, my dads got a 92 and I have a Glock, and some good shooting from 25 yards too.
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Old 02-01-2012, 20:17   #4
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That's actually not bad shooting standing at 25 yards.
Thanks it was actually that recent post where someone was asking how accurate Glocks are that got me curious. I would have thought I could have beat it with the Beretta.

The other day my wife shot better with the 17 over her EMP at about 10 yards, too, as she's been thinking about getting a 19 for her birthday present.

Guess I better get back out there this weekend to uphold the Beretta honor
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Thanks it was actually that recent post where someone was asking how accurate Glocks are that got me curious. I would have thought I could have beat it with the Beretta.

The other day my wife shot better with the 17 over her EMP at about 10 yards, too, as she's been thinking about getting a 19 for her birthday present.

Guess I better get back out there this weekend to uphold the Beretta honor
I really don't feel the standard 92 is much if at all more accurate than most Glocks.

I don't shoot either of those pistols all that great.
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Old 02-01-2012, 20:37   #6
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Two great guns, nice shooting.
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Old 02-01-2012, 21:08   #7
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One of these days I will take my G17 G3 and 92FS out to the range and try the same thing.


BTW, I hate that you can walk out in the back yard and shoot. I don't have a good range where I can do these test right now.
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Old 02-01-2012, 21:16   #8
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I like the 17 better than the 92. The 92 is a bit overpriced to me and I dont like the grip.
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Old 02-01-2012, 21:17   #9
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My thought is, why are you practicing shooting at targets that are 25 YARDS away from you? 94% of all self defense shootings occur between one and 18 FEET.

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Old 02-01-2012, 21:27   #10
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My thought is, why are you practicing shooting at targets that are 25 YARDS away from you? 94% of all self defense shootings occur between one and 18 FEET.
Oh, this was for only that 6%

But seriously, I do shoot up close too, in IDPA, for example. And I got the 17 for those kinds of fun.

But to see the holes spread out a bit, 25 yards works nicely
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Old 02-01-2012, 21:45   #11
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was your first shot out of the Beretta 92FS a DA shot? Pretty good shooting for both for 25 yards/free standing

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Old 02-02-2012, 05:25   #12
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I like the 17 better than the 92. The 92 is a bit overpriced to me and I dont like the grip.
Granted, many gunshops charge $575 or the 92FS, but at Houston area gunshows, they are $499-$510 new. Not over priced at all.

As for grouping. I have read many magazine reviews over the years that get 2-2.5" groups out of a 92 at 25 yards
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Old 02-02-2012, 05:40   #13
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was your first shot out of the Beretta 92FS a DA shot? Pretty good shooting for both for 25 yards/free standing
No, I cheated on that
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:40   #14
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ironbar- not everything done with a pistol is about defense- yes I carry and defensive shooting is obviously important- but if you can hit at long range close becomes much easier- the reverse is definitely not true- I've seen plenty of run and gun ipsc track stars who can race through a course double tapping 5-7 yard targets in a flash be faced with one 25 yard target and not be able to neutralize with an entire mag.
I used the Beretta a long time (25+ years military including a number of years on a military shooting team) and will say as a general rule the beretta is more inherently accurate than the glock. I will say deerslayer that your 25 yard glock group looks pretty darn good. If you shoot ten more groups just like that one that land in the same spot on target, the solution is to tap your rear sight in the dovetail to the right a bit.
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Old 02-02-2012, 08:47   #15
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For pure distance accuracy my 92fs beats my 19,my26, and my 23. Although the beretta is not very practical for CCW. As for pricing, I got my Italian inox with about 50 rounds through it for $525 shipped which I thought was a great deal. It may be too big and heavy for a 9mm, but I love shooting it, and it's a damn nice looking gun
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:15   #16
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ironbar- not everything done with a pistol is about defense- yes I carry and defensive shooting is obviously important- but if you can hit at long range close becomes much easier- the reverse is definitely not true- I've seen plenty of run and gun ipsc track stars who can race through a course double tapping 5-7 yard targets in a flash be faced with one 25 yard target and not be able to neutralize with an entire mag.
I used the Beretta a long time (25+ years military including a number of years on a military shooting team) and will say as a general rule the beretta is more inherently accurate than the glock. I will say deerslayer that your 25 yard glock group looks pretty darn good. If you shoot ten more groups just like that one that land in the same spot on target, the solution is to tap your rear sight in the dovetail to the right a bit.
Yes, I think you are right. If I get the chance, and weather is good (hopefully this weekend), I'll run 4 targets each of the 17 and the 92, 5 shots each, 25 yards standing. All with Federal 124gr American Eagle.

Won't be pretty. Endurance is a factor. Got to relax, breathe out a few times, focus. I'll report back with the average group size for each gun. But I'll probably only post the best group for each (Above, I only shot one group each gun, and that's what you see).

10 targets each would be better, but not at the same time. Fatigue will set in. I guess I could try it and see, but I'll only commit to 4 targets each, right now

Not gonna bench, I'll save that for some other day. Always nice to see what a gun can do, and I've benched plenty over the years. But in a sense it doesn't have any relation to how you generally shoot in the field, hunting, IDPA, bowling pins, showing off to uncle Bob, possible self-defense, and general skills

I gotta say, I really like the 17. I like the Beretta, too, but admit that traditional double-action and slide mounted thumb safety have their drawbacks. Of course, reholstering a Glock has to be an extra careful event.

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Old 02-02-2012, 09:19   #17
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For pure distance accuracy my 92fs beats my 19,my26, and my 23. Although the beretta is not very practical for CCW.
That's similar to what I find, especially once I decided to go hot chamber and no thumb safeties in all my carry guns.

The surprising thing to me is how well the 17 shoots, compared to the 92 which I adore for shooting.

Maybe one of these days, BAC will come over bringing his best 1911 for me to try
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:30   #18
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If you can score hits at 25 for the 6% should should be really accurate for the other 94%.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:49   #19
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BTW, I hate that you can walk out in the back yard and shoot. I don't have a good range where I can do these test right now.
While I could hypothetically shoot 200 yards, I've got an 80 yard range at the back of my pasture, where I'm outside the fence and no crosstrails. Shoots slightly downward and woods behind it rises slightly uphill, all on my property, and no houses or roads behind me for a couple miles

I find rural Upstate NY a pretty nice place to live. But gotta admit that anytime I'm elsewhere in the US and say NY, people immediately think NYC.

Also a member of a local club with a 300 yard range.

That's all important stuff, when searching for a place to live, as far as quality of life goes

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My thought is, why are you practicing shooting at targets that are 25 YARDS away from you? 94% of all self defense shootings occur between one and 18 FEET.
i shoot fast at 25 yds all the time, like in a actual life or death situation.
my thinking being, if i can hit at 25yds then i have no worry at 18 ft.
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Old 02-02-2012, 09:58   #21
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Great guns,
the beretta is one of the most battle proven pistols and the glock is police proven.
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My thought is, why are you practicing shooting at targets that are 25 YARDS away from you? 94% of all self defense shootings occur between one and 18 FEET.
Yikes!

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i shoot fast at 25 yds all the time, like in a actual life or death situation.
my thinking being, if i can hit at 25yds then i have no worry at 18 ft.
You are correct.
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I'd say looks good. Based on overall group size, you shoot the Glock better!

My experience indicates it's not that the Glock suffers from any accuracy issues, but people shooting Glocks that suffer from accuracy issues. Apply the proper fundamentals of front sight and trigger squeeze, and the Glock is as good as any service semi-auto. It's just that the light, short SA triggers on Berettas, SIGs, 3rd Gen S&Ws, etc mask alot of the bad habits most handgunners have.

(Aside, I'm 95% certain the reason most shooters say "revolvers are more accurate than semi-autos" is because they can thumb cock a DA revolver and shoot it SA. While my S&W 19 is more mechanically accurate than my G-17, if I lopped the hammer spur off and handed each one to an average shooter, the Glock would magically be the more accurate of the two... )

Good luck with your extended shooting review! I may have to go put up a silhouette at 50-yds and pop a couple of magazines at it with my G-17 this weekend.
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Old 02-02-2012, 11:31   #24
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Though you wouldn't think it from looking at them Glocks are a very accurate combat handgun. They must have a pretty decent barrel. Occasionaly a gun mag will have a Glock write up and the accuracy is always a cut above all other pistols in a similiar price range. The Berretta 92 is similiar in this regaurd. Pretty good match up.
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In my experiences, I find the 92 to be a bit more accurate than the Glock. With a Marine Corps 25 yd pistol qual target, I can drill out the center of the black with a Beretta. Using a Glock, they are still all in the black but alot more spread out.
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