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Old 02-05-2012, 16:30   #1
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Opinions on .45 ACP 230 grain vs. 185 grain + p

Has any one tested or had any experience w/ the .45 185 grain + p self defense ammo. I just picked up my Gen 4 21 and bought the standard 230 grain jacketed hollow points. Just curious about the performance differences between the two rounds.
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Old 02-05-2012, 16:35   #2
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Define "performance".

Barrier penetration? Feeding reliability? % of one shot incapacitation?

Need more info.
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Old 02-05-2012, 18:02   #3
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Stick with 230. Recoil with a 185gr +P has to be harsher.

At 185gr you may as well just get a .40 and have a better sectional density and higher capacity.

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Old 02-05-2012, 18:23   #4
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If you went Federal HS or HST, or GD or GS 230, you would be good to go. There is only one outstanding 185 +p or just p and that would be the GS.

http://www.handloads.org/misc/stoppi...=18&Weight=All
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Old 02-05-2012, 23:15   #5
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Yeah, not a big fan of +P in the 45 in any flavor. The std vel 185gr RGS makes an honest 950fps in my little OM & 990fps in my 1911PD, recoil is very manageable.
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Old 02-05-2012, 23:15   #6
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It may depend on your ammo needs. I prefer the deeper penetration of the 230 grain loads myself. One of my favorites is the Hornady 230 grain XTP or TAP +P.
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Old 02-06-2012, 00:34   #7
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I've heard mixed results with the 185gr +P Golden Sabers and negative feedback on the 200gr Gold Dots.

This link should help with your choices;

http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm

FWIW, there is not a national database for OIS detailing weapons used, let alone number of shots fired.
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Old 02-06-2012, 00:37   #8
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The 185 +p will shoot flatter at longer ranges, pretty flat out to 100 yards.

I almost always go with the 230 gr Gold Dot in any .45 for social purposes.

A 185 gr +p that might be useful to know about is the Remington green and yellow 50 count box. It will feed in even the most picky pistols. If you ever get a .45 that refuses to feed hollow points, even Golden Sabers (another great round in a picky pistol or just a good round anyway) try the Green and Yellow box Remington 185 +p.

Other than that, I don't often carry them. When I do, I use 185 gr +p Golden Saber.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:25   #9
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The 185 +p will shoot flatter at longer ranges, pretty flat out to 100 yards.

I almost always go with the 230 gr Gold Dot in any .45 for social purposes.

A 185 gr +p that might be useful to know about is the Remington green and yellow 50 count box. It will feed in even the most picky pistols. If you ever get a .45 that refuses to feed hollow points, even Golden Sabers (another great round in a picky pistol or just a good round anyway) try the Green and Yellow box Remington 185 +p.

Other than that, I don't often carry them. When I do, I use 185 gr +p Golden Saber.
Flatter, funny. The diff between a 185gr @ 1100fps & a 230 @ 850fps is just not that big a deal out to even 100yds, like that is the measuring stick for a service cartridged anyway? The cheaper RP 185gr stuff is very erratic as to expansion. The RGS is a far better bullet design. Both will feed in most any pistol.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:37   #10
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I shoot 100 yards quite a bit with pistols and I can tell no difference. I guess there should be but they both make the gong sing if I can hold steady.


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That is the point, to 100yds, there isn't much diff between a 850fps load & a 1300fps load, maybe 2" of drop, most can't hold 2" @ 100yds. Beyond 100yds, you start seeing it. Out to 50yds, the limit for maybe 90% of handguns hooters, ALL handgun rounds are flat shooting.
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Old 02-06-2012, 14:26   #12
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Personally I prefer 230's in 45, I run Ranger T's in my 45's, I also have 230 GD's as well.
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That is the point, to 100yds, there isn't much diff between a 850fps load & a 1300fps load, maybe 2" of drop, most can't hold 2" @ 100yds. Beyond 100yds, you start seeing it. Out to 50yds, the limit for maybe 90% of handguns hooters, ALL handgun rounds are flat shooting.
Fred, I'm just going to give you a hug. There, now I know you feel better.

I think a lot of people would have trouble hitting anything moving at 50 yards with a handgun much less 100 yards. Wasn't suggesting it was a requirement or benchmark for a SD round. That would be silly. But, then again, this is the Internet. Someone will be along shortly with "This one time my friend and me were..."
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Old 02-06-2012, 17:35   #14
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Fred, I'm just going to give you a hug. There, now I know you feel better.

I think a lot of people would have trouble hitting anything moving at 50 yards with a handgun much less 100 yards. Wasn't suggesting it was a requirement or benchmark for a SD round. That would be silly. But, then again, this is the Internet. Someone will be along shortly with "This one time my friend and me were..."
Then why mention it? I don't need a hug thanks, but the statement is laughable every time I hear this or that round is "flatter" shooting, like most can actually benefit from a couple of inches less drop @ 100yds from any handgun. Shoot out that far sometime & then you would never use that line again. Here, now you need the hug.
BTW, yes I have shot well past 100yds many times, I used to shoot met handgun sil, all the way to 220yds! I can tell you, @ 100yds, it doesn't take much sight correction to get hits on a 6" plate w/ anything. BTW, who said anything about a moving target? Not impossible BTW, just asking.
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Old 02-06-2012, 18:56   #15
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Yeah, not a big fan of +P in the 45 in any flavor. The std vel 185gr RGS makes an honest 950fps in my little OM & 990fps in my 1911PD, recoil is very manageable.
Same here. I stick with the standard velocity 230 grain stuff. I never took a liking to the lighter loads in the .45 ACP though.
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Then why mention it? I don't need a hug thanks, but the statement is laughable every time I hear this or that round is "flatter" shooting, like most can actually benefit from a couple of inches less drop @ 100yds from any handgun. Shoot out that far sometime & then you would never use that line again. Here, now you need the hug.
BTW, yes I have shot well past 100yds many times, I used to shoot met handgun sil, all the way to 220yds! I can tell you, @ 100yds, it doesn't take much sight correction to get hits on a 6" plate w/ anything. BTW, who said anything about a moving target? Not impossible BTW, just asking.
I shot my G20, 1911, and get this a Ruger mk3 at 100 yards today. They all shot as flat as the other as far as I could tell. I did have to aim at the top of the plate with the .22 though. I was shooting at an 8 inch plate.
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Old 02-06-2012, 19:54   #17
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I shot my G20, 1911, and get this a Ruger mk3 at 100 yards today. They all shot as flat as the other as far as I could tell. I did have to aim at the top of the plate with the .22 though. I was shooting at an 8 inch plate.
Yep, kinda what I was getting at.
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Old 02-06-2012, 21:03   #18
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Good stuff fellas. Thanks for the responses. Looks like I'll be sticking w/ my 230's. Sounds like the reviews for golden sabers are pretty good....
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Old 02-06-2012, 22:04   #19
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230gr. IMO it's the more consistent, better performer.
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Old 02-06-2012, 22:28   #20
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I am a newb to .45 ACP, but wasn't the 230 grain designed mostly for the 1911 with a 5" barrel? So wouldn't it be more appropriate to use a 185 or 200 grain load in a short barrel .45 ACP such as a 3.5" barrel? The velocity of a 230g bullet out of a 3" barrel has to be very low, in the low 700 fps range I would guess or maybe less. Is that even enough speed to expand properly with a hollow point?

Please be easy on me, I am just thinking out loud. Not trying to debate anyone.
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