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Old 02-06-2012, 13:45   #1
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More details on CA officer killed as he was being arrested.

http://www.policeone.com/officer-sho...UI-checkpoint/

An absolute crap sandwich.
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Old 02-06-2012, 13:51   #2
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Yeah, that's messed up. I guess the question is, their sexual relationship began how many years ago?
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Old 02-06-2012, 13:52   #3
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And all of it caused by the deceased.
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Old 02-06-2012, 14:59   #4
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And all of it caused by the deceased.
Yes, he is absolutely ultimately responsible. With that said, and bearing in mind that I almost never take this position, it just shouldn't have gone down this way. What the **** was that moron supervisor thinking when he told everyone that the victim was being pulled for an investigation.

While I believe that the deceased was in the wrong, I believe this supervisor was responsible for the frenzy of events that escalated that incident into a shooting.
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Old 02-06-2012, 15:02   #5
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Screw that family I had to do the same thing to one of my guys, only he came in to my office and I told him I need your gun and badge, and told him why , he took his belt off, I had him take off his shirt so they did not get to see him in uniform with cuffs on.
He told me where all his agency equipment was at the house, he walked out of my office cuffed and I turned him over to state attorney investigators.

Same thing police explorer situation...No way we were letting him get off shift, as when one cop knows they all know!
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Old 02-06-2012, 15:09   #6
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What a dirtbag.
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Old 02-06-2012, 15:56   #7
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Quote from his father in the article: "What happened to the brotherhood?"

Since when do brothers draw on brothers?
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Old 02-06-2012, 16:20   #8
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"What happened to the brotherhood?"

Since when do brothers draw on brothers?
He was never part of the brotherhood in spirit... if he thought his position allowed him to have sex with young ladies in the explorer program...
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Old 02-06-2012, 16:51   #9
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This one ended better than the BOP's dog and pony show attempting to arrest an employee on duty.

http://www.wesh.com/r/9411162/detail.html
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Old 02-06-2012, 16:54   #10
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Once again the inexorable law, "Stupid games have stupid prizes", worked it wrath and proved that not even police are exempt from that law of the universe. Stay safe out there people. America needs every good cop we can get.
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Old 02-06-2012, 16:59   #11
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By the way, having gone to high school and to college with some girls who could trip you and beat you to the floor, we don't know just what part that 17-year old played in the start of this cluster XXXX. Maybe she was seduced or maybe she was the seducer. We'll never know. Remember that guys. When I was 15-16, my dad told me about how stupid sexual temptation can make a man. Remember that all cops are under a microscope for their behavior. It goes with the job.
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Old 02-06-2012, 17:03   #12
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He was never part of the brotherhood in spirit... if he thought his position allowed him to have sex with young ladies in the explorer program...
I agree. That quote in the first line came from his father. IMHO, regardless of how low he stooped, drawing on his fellow Officers was an even worse abomination. Just my .02.
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Old 02-06-2012, 17:18   #13
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How long was the affair going on? She might be 17 now, and that's probably legal in a lot of states, but it gets much creepier much faster the further you go back in time...

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This one ended better than the BOP's dog and pony show attempting to arrest an employee on duty.

http://www.wesh.com/r/9411162/detail.html
There was no "dog and pony show." The arrests were SOP, and the POS officer, Hill, was on an unarmed post, the jail control center, and smuggled the pistol into work in a backpack. This case is the reason BOP now screens all staff entering the secure facility. There was no screening of staff prior to this incident.

I personally worked cases with OIG Agent Sentner, and knew BOP Lt. Cockerham, who was wounded in the shooting, as well as the POS Hill. Sentner was an outstanding agent, very professional and by the book. Cockerham is also a great guy, who would give you the shirt off his back.

Hill was nothing more than a low-life scum, protected for years by the local AFGE, who knew he was dirty well before this incident.

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Old 02-06-2012, 17:40   #15
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The LE employed individual of the story (notice I didn't say cop.) forfeited any sympathy or compassion when he decided to resist and draw his gun on the cops. Doing so not only showed who he really was but also what he truly wasn't, ( a cop).
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Old 02-06-2012, 17:53   #16
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The LE employed individual of the story (notice I didn't say cop.) forfeited any sympathy or compassion when he decided to resist and draw his gun on the cops. Doing do not only showed who he really was but also what he truly wasn't, ( a cop).

We have a winner.
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Old 02-06-2012, 19:13   #17
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Gawdalmighty what a clusterfark. Yeah, it's ultimately the dirtbag's fault, but some administrative heads need to roll.
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Old 02-06-2012, 19:20   #18
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Gawdalmighty what a clusterfark. Yeah, it's ultimately the dirtbag's fault, but some administrative heads need to roll.
I agree only if you're talking about the idiot LT that opened his yap. Everything else seems like the admin was trying to do it as safely as possible.
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I agree only if you're talking about the idiot LT that opened his yap. Everything else seems like the admin was trying to do it as safely as possible.
It may be that the LT. was not told what was going on besides that the explorer was being removed from the scene. Even if that is the case however why did he feel the need to share that info with everyone? Apparently he fails to recognize the concept of "Need to know".
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Old 02-06-2012, 19:42   #20
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Sounds like there are plenty of idiots in that department. My heart goes out to the officer who had to put down his best friend. He may never survive emotionally from that.
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A truly sad situation all the way around. Is it possible that when the deceased found out that he was in deep trouble, he committed suicide by cop? If so, that just makes it worse. Prayers for the officer who was forced to shoot the offender, and prayers for the offender's widow.
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Old 02-06-2012, 20:37   #22
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The LE employed individual of the story (notice I didn't say cop.) forfeited any sympathy or compassion when he decided to resist and draw his gun on the cops. Doing so not only showed who he really was but also what he truly wasn't, ( a cop).
I agree with you 100%.

My problem is the administrators shortsightedness of putting officers in the position of having to shoot the officer in the first place.

This was not exigent circumstances and the officer could have been arrested when he was away from the job.

It seems to me that the administrators were trying to make a point of arresting him on duty for embarrassing the department.
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I agree only if you're talking about the idiot LT that opened his yap. Everything else seems like the admin was trying to do it as safely as possible.
How is making the decision to arrest him in a public place while he's armed and the alleged victim is at the location as "safely as possible?" That decision was made by some other idiot above the idiot LT's pay grade. It seems like they were trying to be too clever by half.
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I agree with you 100%.

My problem is the administrators shortsightedness of putting officers in the position of having to shoot the officer in the first place.

This was not exigent circumstances and the officer could have been arrested when he was away from the job.

It seems to me that the administrators were trying to make a point of arresting him on duty for embarrassing the department.
You don't know that he could have been arrested away from work OR who made the call to arrest him OR approach him on scene.

Lets give the admins the same courtesy we give patrol cops and not judge them till we have all the facts.

I speak from experience I had to arrest a guy I worked with a 43 year old SWAT cop was caught up with a 15 year old explorer. He was married with 5 kids.. YUP gets no worse than that..Trust me if we did not take him at work the family would have taken him out .

You have no idea what the back story on this case is.
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Lets give the admins the same courtesy we give patrol cops and not judge them till we have all the facts.
The admin weenies are paid the big bucks to avoid this kind of clusterfark. And when do they ever give line officers the same courtesy?

I agree he probably had to be arrested at work. Every department should have figured out long in advance how they are going to handle having to arrest one of their own. Springing it on them out in a public space where they are not contained and a citizen might catch a spare round as opposed to calling them into an office where they can be quickly disarmed before they know what's up seems like a bad idea from the beginning. There was no ongoing sting where they were tying to gather more evidence on him.The decision to arrest had been made. Calling him into the office before the detail began and relieving him of duty before you tell him what the charges are seems like a more tactically sound plan to me.

Like I said before, too clever by half.
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