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Old 05-05-2011, 15:14   #1
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small 357mag

I am hoping that someone has shot some of these and can compare and contrast them. I think the end purpose is a carry revolver, but I am not a revolver person per say. A 686 with 6 inch barrel is on the wish list and then something smaller, that may get used for games and CCW. My guess is that the 357 will be fairly rude in a small light weight revolver, but I like having the option of 38s or 357.

Please compare and contract the following.
Smith & Wesson 640 .357 Mag 2" Stainless $591
Smith & Wesson 340PD .357 Mag Airlite $801.00
Smith & Wesson 649 Bodyguard .357 Magnum Stainless $591.00
Smith & Wesson 360PD .357 Mag 1-7/8" HIVIZ $813.00
Smith & Wession 360 357mag Liquidation Item $483.00
Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Mag 2", 6 round $665.00
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Old 05-05-2011, 15:38   #2
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I own, owned, or have fired all. For carry go with the 649. Good compromise of weight and size. The scandium are REAL easy to carry, but even with mild .38 ammo will beat you to death. For carry/shooting 15 ounces is the minimum weight.
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Old 05-05-2011, 17:25   #3
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I carry a Smith & Wesson 442 +P even it lets you know who's boss when you shoot +P loads hurts your hand
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Old 05-09-2011, 21:30   #4
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Skip the Scandium. I had a 360PD, and it was absolutely the most brutal handgun I've ever shot when loaded with .357 mags. I sold that knuckle busting sob in short order.
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:14   #5
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Out of those guns I would only go for the 686.The J frame 357's just kill your hand.I have a 2 inch Colt Lawman and love it. If I was you I would stay away from the J frames and get a L frame or K frame Smith.The J frames are best suited for 38 Special.
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:31   #6
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To the OP: Hopefully, you'll find one shooter who has been able to fire most or all of the guns you mentioned, and give you some sort of baseline assessment.

In the meantime, I'll throw in my own experiences in the hopes that the cumulative knowledge of the folks here can help you out.

- don't have a 640 in .357 (.38 only), but I have a Pro-60 with a 3" barrel which is prolly roughly on a par. The revolver handles well with all .38's, and is reasonably manageable (no ouch factor) with even fairly hot .357's (in my case, some old UMC 125-grain ammo).

- 360PD -- bought one used yesterday and had my first chance to fire it. With .38's, I found it extremely manageable. I only shot at 5 yards for my "virgin" run, but I grouped well with Winchester Supreme Elite +P 130-grain ammo. With .357's, the effects were -- shall we say -- hairy. I started with the recommended (for lower recoil) Remington Golden Sabers. The "holy crap -- what was that???" factor was there, but I managed to stay relatively grouped with those rounds. I did the crimp test, and noticed significant bullet jump with the GS on the last round. With the 125-grain UMC rounds, I was really starting to get some whack on the trigger finger. There was some bullet jump with this load, but not nearly as much as the GS's -- the cannelures may have prevented that.

My thoughts on the 360PD for now is that I might keep it loaded with a couple of +P .38's, and fill the rest of the cylinder with the .357 GS's. I am also planning on doing more research and "face time" with medium velocity and other milder .357's.

One note about J-frames in general -- I think these guns are particularly susceptible to the fit of the individual shooter's hand. I have a medium-sized tennis grip with relatively slender fingers, and I can palm a J with even the clam-shell PD grips pretty well. This might be more conducive to wrapping and cushioning the impact of even the .357's, because I'm not experiencing the pain level that many others have noted (not to say that there isn't some).


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Old 05-17-2011, 14:43   #7
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Ruger LCR357 with Tamer Grip. No pain when shooting 357s. When you shoot 38+P its a puppy dog.

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I own, owned, or have fired all. For carry go with the 649. Good compromise of weight and size. The scandium are REAL easy to carry, but even with mild .38 ammo will beat you to death. For carry/shooting 15 ounces is the minimum weight.
This is our experience too.
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Ruger LCR357 with Tamer Grip. No pain when shooting 357s. When you shoot 38+P its a puppy dog.
I second this..and what a great trigger..I put CT on mine..
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Old 05-17-2011, 14:57   #10
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Those with uber-uber-lightweight .357's might want to consider shooting Speer's new Gold Dot "Short Barrel" magnum -- 135gr slug at about 990 FPS out of a sub-2" barrel, which is still 130-150 FPS more than one would get out of a typical 125gr +P .38.

Sounds like a decent compromise for getting absolute low-end magnum performance out of a 12-ounce snubbie...


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Old 05-20-2011, 08:58   #11
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I know it's not on your list but have you considered a S&W model 13 or 65? With a 3" bbl and round butt it conceals very well and is comfortable to shoot even with magnums. They are a little hard to find anymore but sometimes you get lucky. It has become my favorite revolver. The 3" mod 13 was the FBI issue back in the revolver days.
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I know it's not on your list but have you considered a S&W model 13 or 65? With a 3" bbl and round butt it conceals very well and is comfortable to shoot even with magnums. They are a little hard to find anymore but sometimes you get lucky. It has become my favorite revolver. The 3" mod 13 was the FBI issue back in the revolver days.

Funny that you mention it -- I bought a pre-lock 3" S&W 65 last year...And my screen name notwithstanding, that 65 has made it onto my short list of the handgun I would keep "if I could only keep one."

The only problem would be that I have a fairly light frame, and I'd be hard pressed to carry it. But it is one sweeeeet piece of iron...


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I know it's not on your list but have you considered a S&W model 13 or 65? With a 3" bbl and round butt it conceals very well and is comfortable to shoot even with magnums. They are a little hard to find anymore but sometimes you get lucky. It has become my favorite revolver. The 3" mod 13 was the FBI issue back in the revolver days.
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Old 05-28-2011, 18:54   #14
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I just ordered a Smith and Wesson model 640 to accompany my Glock 27. We'll see how it does next week once I get it in. Beautiful Smiths though, and I may put nice less boring grips on it than the black rubberish ones... assuming recoil isn't an issue for me. Usually it's not, but I've never shot .357 magnum before.

Is shooting .357 out of a j-frame similar to .44 magnum out of a six inch n-frame?
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I just ordered a Smith and Wesson model 640 to accompany my Glock 27. We'll see how it does next week once I get it in. Beautiful Smiths though, and I may put nice less boring grips on it than the black rubberish ones... assuming recoil isn't an issue for me. Usually it's not, but I've never shot .357 magnum before.

Is shooting .357 out of a j-frame similar to .44 magnum out of a six inch n-frame?

I personally think shooting a .357 out of a J-frame feels a bit more "vigorous" than a .44 mag out of an N-frame...but YMMV...


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Old 06-01-2011, 18:35   #16
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I have the 686 2 1/2 barrel, its a sweetheart. Even with the magnums !
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Ruger sp101 is as small as you can still shoot good with full power 125gr 357 mag HP,s. Anything less is painfull and uncontrollable.
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The LCR Tamer Grip makes 357 painless. It backs up my SP101 daily.
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Old 02-10-2012, 07:43   #19
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my vote is for the 649.
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