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Old 01-17-2012, 20:38   #1
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Feds stepping up excessive force cases

Feds stepping up excessive force cases
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Old 01-18-2012, 14:34   #2
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I'd like to quote Martha, if it's not a violation of the TOS, SOPA, or PIPA, "It's a good thing!"
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Old 01-19-2012, 10:12   #3
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I'd like to quote Martha, if it's not a violation of the TOS, SOPA, or PIPA, "It's a good thing!"
What does that mean?
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Old 01-19-2012, 16:24   #4
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"There is political power in putting cellphone video up on YouTube," Browne-Marshall said. "There's actual visual evidence. It can't be ignored by anybody."


this is not a wholly true statement.

plenty of video of police acting inappropriately has been ignored, questioned, rationalized and argued by those with an incontrovertible pro-police bias on this site, including the OP.
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"There is political power in putting cellphone video up on YouTube," Browne-Marshall said. "There's actual visual evidence. It can't be ignored by anybody."


this is not a wholly true statement.

plenty of video of police acting inappropriately has been ignored, questioned, rationalized and argued by those with an incontrovertible pro-police bias on this site, including the OP.
Ignored? No.
Questioned? Yes
Rationalized? Not in the way you mean.
Argued? Yes.
An incontrovertible pro-police bias on this site? What part of Eric's statement...
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Old 01-20-2012, 18:20   #6
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What does that mean?
It's a good thing that the Feds are doing these types of investigations.
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Old 01-20-2012, 18:45   #7
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It's a good thing that the Feds are doing these types of investigations.
Yes, it is.
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Quoted from the article:

"There is no question that there is a problem," said Sam Walker, emeritus professor of criminal justice at the University of Nebraska, Omaha, and the author of more than a dozen books on police accountability, civil rights and police oversight.

It had to be the school that I received my master's degree, and my wife is finishing hers...
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Russ P interesting statement from a moderator.
Definition of MODERATOR

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mod·er·a·tor·ship noun
I understand Eric and his comments and I can accept your house your rules.
My thought is you should change your title from Moderator to Enforcement.
Look at my profile look at my posts and if I am the type person you do not want on this site just send an E-Mail to manolito@frontiernet.net
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You're fine, Bill.

I will suggest you contact Eric directly instead of posting on the open forum.
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"treat them respectfully" =/= glossing over, forgetting about, and making excuses for illegal acts and egregious abuses of power.
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Here's a question for you, M_B, related to the original topic.

Do you believe the government should stay out of a person's life completely until, as an example, that person violates the rights of another?
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Yes, it is.
In general, yes. With regards to *this* AG in *this* administration---you know, the guys who gave the pass to the Black Panthers, who approved Fast & Furious, who're taking the 5th rather than testify about Brian Terry's murder---well, I'll reserve judgement until some facts are in.
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In general, yes. With regards to *this* AG in *this* administration---you know, the guys who gave the pass to the Black Panthers, who approved Fast & Furious, who're taking the 5th rather than testify about Brian Terry's murder---well, I'll reserve judgement until some facts are in.
Sam, Gotta say I agree. I am a retired LEO and some of what I am seeing these days scares me. The rules do not apply equally as they once did. This administration has given free passes to criminals BECAUSE of their race AND refuses to co-operate with Congressional Committees when they get caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

Integrity seems to be NON-existent to this crowd. Something like people who live in glass houses.....
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"treat them respectfully" =/= glossing over, forgetting about, and making excuses for illegal acts and egregious abuses of power.
True. But what's that got to do with your posting pattern?
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In general, yes. With regards to *this* AG in *this* administration---you know, the guys who gave the pass to the Black Panthers, who approved Fast & Furious, who're taking the 5th rather than testify about Brian Terry's murder---well, I'll reserve judgement until some facts are in.
Yes, it is interesting that those investigating law enforcement agencies are themselves under investigation for egregious behavior.
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I remember lapd sergeant stacey koon said on the stand during the first rodney king trial that sometimes police work is a dirty job.
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True. But what's that got to do with your posting pattern?
if you really want to know, PM me.
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Here's a question for you, M_B, related to the original topic.

Do you believe the government should stay out of a person's life completely until, as an example, that person violates the rights of another?

no, I'm not on the wacko end of the libertarian spectrum.
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"There is political power in putting cellphone video up on YouTube," Browne-Marshall said. "There's actual visual evidence. It can't be ignored by anybody."


this is not a wholly true statement.

plenty of video of police acting inappropriately has been ignored, questioned, rationalized and argued by those with an incontrovertible pro-police bias on this site, including the OP.
How much of this "inappropriate video" only showed the section of video the person holding the phone wanted the viewer to see? While there are a few out there that may depict a majority of the story, there are far more that only show one side of it. Hence why many officers are cleared of wrongdoing when the whole story comes out in the courtroom. It's sad that a majority of the viewing public (which might include you) forms their opinion on 20 seconds of video edited by the person who has something to lose before posting it on youtube or emailing it to the local media.

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How much of this "inappropriate video" only showed the section of video the person holding the phone wanted the viewer to see? While there are a few out there that may depict a majority of the story, there are far more that only show one side of it. Hence why many officers are cleared of wrongdoing when the whole story comes out in the courtroom. It's sad that a majority of the viewing public (which might include you) forms their opinion on 20 seconds of video edited by the person who has something to lose before posting it on youtube or emailing it to the local media.

you you feel that feds should not step up investigations into excessive force, and that the concerns raised are invald because of bias, tainted evidence and false accusations against police?

or, can you concede the fact that perhaps, I mean... just maybe... the problem with police abusing their power might be a little more widespread and go a little bit deeper than the folks in coptalk are comfortable to acknowledge?
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How much of this "inappropriate video" only showed the section of video the person holding the phone wanted the viewer to see? While there are a few out there that may depict a majority of the story, there are far more that only show one side of it. Hence why many officers are cleared of wrongdoing when the whole story comes out in the courtroom. It's sad that a majority of the viewing public (which might include you) forms their opinion on 20 seconds of video edited by the person who has something to lose before posting it on youtube or emailing it to the local media.
It is well known, and has been for a very long time, that media bias, whether pro or con on an issue, is powerful, presenting only those parts of a story that projects the image the media wants seen.

I went with a reporter to do a story on a somewhat controversial event when I worked as a photographer for two daily newspapers. The reporter had a very strong bias against one of the groups involved. She interviewed spokespersons for both sides and I took photos illustrating what both sides were saying.

On the ride back to the office, the reporter said she'd like to be with me when I printed the pics. I said sure, why not. Then she started talking about how she was going to write the story - it was very one sided. I asked her when she was submitting the story to the editor and she gave me a time. I told her I would be printing the pics about 15 minutes after that.

Well, I printed my photos early and took them to the City Editor. She submitted her story. About the time she came to the photo lab, the Editor had read her story and looked through my photos. He was pissed. He called us in and told her to rewrite the story to match the story my photos told, a balanced story.

Unfortunately, sadly, those days are long gone. Everything must fit into a sound bite that titillates the viewer/listener. Editing is no longer to include facts, but to exclude facts. No longer is hearsay something to be verified by interviewing the actual participants. Third parties relaying what the friend of the cousin of the friend of the...well, you get the idea.

You are correct SgtScott31, while an entire video sequence may be boring, may not support ones personal bias, or whether it may rightfully, truthfully show egregious behavior, it is better to see all the facts, not just the tiny piece that supports that bias.

That's why lots of us say that we'll reserve judgement until the entire video, or all of the facts, or all sides of the story are presented.
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How do you get out of this...
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  1. How much of this "inappropriate video" only showed the section of video the person holding the phone wanted the viewer to see?

  2. While there are a few out there that may depict a majority of the story, there are far more that only show one side of it.

  3. Hence why many officers are cleared of wrongdoing when the whole story comes out in the courtroom.

  4. It's sad that a majority of the viewing public (which might include you) forms their opinion on 20 seconds of video edited by the person who has something to lose before posting it on youtube or emailing it to the local media.
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  1. you you feel that feds should not step up investigations into excessive force, and

  2. that the concerns raised are invald because of
    • bias,

    • tainted evidence and

    • false accusations against police?
or, can you concede the fact that perhaps, I mean... just maybe... the problem with police abusing their power might be a little more widespread and go a little bit deeper than the folks in coptalk are comfortable to acknowledge?
Where did SgtScott say that feds should not step up investigations into excessive force?
Was it in Point #1?

Was it in Point #2?

Was it in Point #3?

Was it in Point #4?
Where did Sgt Scott say that concerns raised are invalid for any reason?
Was it in Point #1?

Was it in Point #2?

Was it in Point #3?

Was it in Point #4?
What you fail to comprehend is that the folks in Cop Talk actually do know and understand the problems with police abusing their power. As is common behavior for you, you commonly want a "rush to judgement" from them before 'all the facts' are known. You've received, "If the facts support the allegations, yes, his/her actions are wrong." I do not recall you accepting that.

I look forward to you matching the points in SgtScott's post to those in your post.
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he was saying that the video doesn't show the whole story.

so if the video doesn't show the whole story, then what are the reasons it is shown?

that's where my post came from. a little non-linear thinking.

you complain that the poster to whom I was replying said nothing about bias, then your next post is a lengthy complaint about media bias.

you complaining about bias is the pinnacle of irony.
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