Ubuntu 11.10 Review: Benchmarked Against Windows 7

***TBO*** · 02-14-2012, 11:26

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...view,3121.html

gemeinschaft · 02-14-2012, 13:19

Interesting review.

I am curious about the Games that were used to benchmark, were they run in a Windows emulator like Wine?

If so, wouldn't that kind of be an apples to oranges comparison?

Personally, I can't stand the Unity interface, so I installed Gnome into 11.10.

Linux3 · 02-14-2012, 13:42

Very interesting read.
I am well aware of the HD to HD copy benchmark.
Pretty much all the really big iron servers run Linux and I guess all those users have helped tune the systems.

Thanks for the link.

IndyGunFreak · 02-14-2012, 16:45

Interesting review. I still hate Unity though, and I'm not a gamer.

Like Linux3 said, the HD copy is very obvious if you've ever copied very big files under both OS's.

All in all, that article pretty much confirmed my opinion that as of now, Linux is not quite ready as a gaming machine (on newer games)

IGF

Pierre! · 02-14-2012, 19:17

So who is shipping and supporting this New Ubuntu?

Nevermind - Dell, HP, and IBM ship and support Ubuntu!

Can't wait to see Ubuntu kick Windows 8 ... Shouldn't be hard... (LOL)

Patrick

Linux3 · 02-14-2012, 20:23

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Originally Posted by gemeinschaft

Interesting review.

Personally, I can't stand the Unity interface, so I installed Gnome into 11.10.

I totally agree about UNity. I'm running Kubuntu.
It's not bad in FolderView.

IndyGunFreak · 02-14-2012, 21:30

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Originally Posted by Pierre!

So who is shipping and supporting this New Ubuntu?

Nevermind - Dell, HP, and IBM ship and support Ubuntu!

Can't wait to see Ubuntu kick Windows 8 ... Shouldn't be hard... (LOL)

Patrick

Linux is still a long way from overtaking Windows in the home market. Ubuntu is as close as Linux has managed to get being main stream.. Linspire, and the others that have tried, have all failed miserably. Generally because they tried to hard to be like Windows, in attempt to attract new users. Ubuntu has a real shot to become "main stream".. I just think they went wayward with Unity, but I've saw many "new" Linux users, that absolutely love it.

I think when you're dealing with experienced users.. we know where Linux(and Ubuntu) was, and consider Unity a disaster.

***TBO*** · 02-15-2012, 00:42

<----tips his hat to Indy for helping him first understand/satisfy the Linux itch.

IndyGunFreak · 02-15-2012, 00:56

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Originally Posted by TheeBadOne

<----tips his hat to Indy for helping him first understand/satisfy the Linux itch.

LOL, I just did a search, and that's been almost 2yrs ago... I didn't think it had been that long. I always remember helping you because of that freaking "unusable" partition.. First time I'd ever ran into that, but I've ran into it several times since then (while helping others)...

IGF

GIockGuy24 · 02-15-2012, 08:30

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Originally Posted by gemeinschaft

Interesting review.

I am curious about the Games that were used to benchmark, were they run in a Windows emulator like Wine?

If so, wouldn't that kind of be an apples to oranges comparison?

Personally, I can't stand the Unity interface, so I installed Gnome into 11.10.

There are Linux versions of a lot of popular computer games. Sabayon Linux sometimes puts the demo versions on their live DVD's. You can download the demo versions for free. They are usually the first level or a bit more of the game and do not expire.

The Windows emulator required for 3-D windows games, Cedega, ceased development on February 28th, 2011 and was retired. It is based on Wine but Wine by itself is usually not enough to run most 3-D games.

thejellster05 · 02-15-2012, 11:28

So not to hijack but is it hard to use default gnome environment instead of unity? I went back to an older 10.04 (i think) because I hated unity.

gemeinschaft · 02-15-2012, 13:12

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Originally Posted by thejellster05

So not to hijack but is it hard to use default gnome environment instead of unity? I went back to an older 10.04 (i think) because I hated unity.

Not hard at all... You just have to install the Gnome features that you want back to your installation.

I can't stand Unity, I wish they would not have gotten rid of Gnome.

Chesafreak · 02-15-2012, 13:17

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Originally Posted by gemeinschaft

Not hard at all... You just have to install the Gnome features that you want back to your installation.

I can't stand Unity, I wish they would not have gotten rid of Gnome.

Mint has overtaken Ubuntu as top Linux distro. Mint has Gnome.

IndyGunFreak · 02-15-2012, 14:03

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Originally Posted by scubasteve23323

Mint has overtaken Ubuntu as top Linux distro. Mint has Gnome.

Oh dear, warning, big wall of text follows.

I'm gonna have to rant a little here, cuz I'm so tired of reading this. This however, is so blatantly false, it almost borders on fanboyish. Keep in mind, I'm really not particularly an Ubuntu fan either, I really prefer a vanilla Debian install. Ubuntu (or one of it's variants) is nice on my laptop because it picks up my wireless automatically, where Debian does not.

Mint is not even close as the "top" Linux Distro. It's not even a competition. This is like saying Ron Paul is the leading candidate for the Republican nomination. His supporters swear he is, but everyone knows better. No knock on Paul, it's just the reality of it.

Distrowatch only measures page hits, not OS's that are in use.. Very simple way to tell Ubuntu is far more used... Go in their support channels (I've been in both regularly for quite some time). Mints typically has bout 30-40 members and you're lucky if it's not all of them just lurking. Ubuntu never has less than 100-150, even at the strangest hours. Your answers may not be available in either channel, but there's always active discussion in the Ubuntu support channel. I've saw hours upon hours pass w/o so much as a peep in the Mint support channel.

Need another example? Mintforums vs Ubuntuforums -- Need I say more? You wait more than a few hours after your post in any almost any of the support sub forums on Ubuntuforums, and it's already off page 1. Just taking a quick glance at Mint forums, there's several forums that threads that were last posted in on the 12th, are still on page 1.

I think their both good, solid distros for newbs or people who want a "no fuss" Linux experience. However, don't fail to see the forest because you're looking at the trees.

thejellster... for now, yes, Gnome 2.x is fairly easy to install. However, in 12.04, to my knowledge, gnome-shell will go away, and your options will be Unity or Gnome3. Like I've been telling you all, embrace the horror, learn to love KDE/XFCE/LXDE..

, cuz Gnome 3 is just as awful as Unity.

If you're a non-Ubuntu user, you don't have to deal with the Unity decision, you just have to deal with how much Gnome 3 and KDE 4 suck..

There is a project called "Mate" which is supposed to mimic Gnome 2.x, and it looks pretty good. I'm guessing the problem with this (as it is with all things like this) is going to be support and development. People have lives, and when you're dealing with a small team, it's easy for a project to go off the tracks quickly.

IGF

Linux3 · 02-15-2012, 20:40

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Originally Posted by IndyGunFreak

If you're a non-Ubuntu user, you don't have to deal with the Unity decision, you just have to deal with how much Gnome 3 and KDE 4 suck..

IGF

There was a time I would agree with you that KDE 4.X sucked. I was a major KDE 3.5.X fan and everything after has been a bit of a let down.
I was using xfce but the latest version is a little unstable and not being fixed any time soon.
I don't like lxde much either.

I installed Kubuntu and then at the 'desktop' selected 'Folder View'.
I like it. It's stable and well fleshed out and works very much like KDE 3.5 (kind of). Also, right click on the 'K' in the bottm left and select Traditional Menus.

Very nice.

Pierre! · 02-15-2012, 23:37

Another big vote for KDE - Seemed to fit me the best.

Gnome and I just never got along... never

Unity - Now THIS looks interesting to me! I hadn't gotten my hands on the new Libre suite yet, so that was a nice surprise!

Unity looks ... *tighter* than Gnome. Looks easy to use, but this is first blush too. None of the config tools were 'where I used to know to go', but this will not take long to learn.

openSUSE, KUbuntu, & Knoppix were my faves... but this Unity Ubuntu may just take the cake... My biggest gripe with Ubuntu is that it was so easy to connect to a Windows network... but it was but but Ugly too!

That's the Unity Rant from the MS Windows FanBoy...

Patrick

Linux3 · 02-16-2012, 21:47

I do not understand how anyone could like Unity but I know lots of people do.

Maybe it's Windows people who like it? If so Ubuntu has a large potential pool of new users. Just not me.

gemeinschaft · 02-17-2012, 07:04

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Originally Posted by Linux3

I do not understand how anyone could like Unity but I know lots of people do.

Maybe it's Windows people who like it? If so Ubuntu has a large potential pool of new users. Just not me.

Agreed.

I personally think that they would be better off keeping Gnome as part of the installation for those who hate Unity.

I just built Gnome into my installation and use that.

IndyGunFreak · 02-17-2012, 16:31

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Originally Posted by gemeinschaft

Agreed.

I personally think that they would be better off keeping Gnome as part of the installation for those who hate Unity.

I just built Gnome into my installation and use that.

Unfortunately the problem is not *just* Ubuntu... It's also the Gnome Project, which Ubuntu has no real control of. Yes, Unity sucks. However, there are numerous complaints about Gnome 3 as well. Gnome 2.x, was great, but that's not "Gnome" anymore. Yeah, for now, some distros are still shipping 2.x, some even still have the old version in their repos, but eventually this will go by the wayside and it will become increasingly more difficult to install Gnome 2.x. Right now, you can install 2.x from the repositories, it wouldn't surprise me at all, if in a year or so, you'd have to compile it from source... That would be quite an undertaking.

***duncan*** · 03-13-2012, 02:20

Unity sucks. Stick with 10.xxx of Ubuntu. Mint is okay too.

IndyGunFreak · 03-13-2012, 06:07

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Originally Posted by duncan

Unity sucks. Stick with 10.xxx of Ubuntu. Mint is okay too.

Sticking to 10.xx, isn't really a good solution, as it will go EOL eventually (10.10 expires next month actually). 10.04 till April of next year. The best thing to do is:

1. Adapt to Unity
2. Try another GUI.

It's not like you're stuck w/ one choice... Unity, Gnome 3, KDE, Xfce, LXDE, Flux, Enlightment, etc. IIRC, I read not to long ago that Linus Torvalds (a longtime Gnome user) recently switched to XFCE because of how bad Gnome 3 was... (I'll try to find the article)...

Here it is:
http://digitizor.com/2011/08/04/linu...nome-for-xfce/

The last line in the article about KDE is interesting as well. This appears to be an issue with all the GUI's...

IGF

dwhite53 · 03-13-2012, 15:45

The Microsoft Windows end-user license agreement used to stipulate that any benchmark testing that was to be published had to be run using their process defined in the license agreement.

Wonder why?

All the Best,
D. White

captainstormy · 03-13-2012, 16:25

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Originally Posted by IndyGunFreak

Sticking to 10.xx, isn't really a good solution, as it will go EOL eventually (10.10 expires next month actually). 10.04 till April of next year. The best thing to do is:

1. Adapt to Unity
2. Try another GUI.

It's not like you're stuck w/ one choice... Unity, Gnome 3, KDE, Xfce, LXDE, Flux, Enlightment, etc. IIRC, I read not to long ago that Linux Torvalds (a longtime Gnome user) recently switched to XFCE because of how bad Gnome 3 was... (I'll try to find the article)...

Here it is:
http://digitizor.com/2011/08/04/linu...nome-for-xfce/

The last line in the article about KDE is interesting as well. This appears to be an issue with all the GUI's...

IGF

+1

Ever since my early days of Linux I was a Gnome guy. While I would never have used unity, it didn't bug me to much because I would have just installed Gnome.

Problem being, is that Gnome 3 is horrible. I don't know what they are thinking. Personally, I think the fact that we have largely been using our desktop GUIs the same for so long is because that's what works.

I gave Xfce a shot, but it's a bit to rough around the edges to me. I've come to like KDE. I turn off all of the eye candy and such and it works pretty well for me.

Linux3 · 03-13-2012, 20:09

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Originally Posted by captainstormy

+1
I gave Xfce a shot, but it's a bit to rough around the edges to me. I've come to like KDE. I turn off all of the eye candy and such and it works pretty well for me.

I totally agree.
I liked KDE 3.9.5 and thought all version after were down hill.
I must say that 4.4.7 is making me smile.
XFCE WAS my choice but it has issues.
LXDE, I could never warm up to it.
Gnome 3.X gag me with a spoon.

But the newest KDE is looking good and running well.

DeadMansLife · 03-24-2012, 20:48

I installed Ubuntu 11.10 Unity a few weeks ago just to try it. Haven't spent much time in W7 since. Starting to like it but for a memory warning every day and that stupid side bar that pops out every time i get too close to the left side of the screen.

Is there a better Linux distro for a total beginner or is this the best way for me to get a goof feel for it?