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Old 03-17-2012, 17:30   #261
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got it, thanks a lot, perfect answer as always *thumbs up*
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Old 03-17-2012, 17:44   #262
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"Fixing" your gun, by installing an extractor made for the next larger caliber, just doesn't seen too smart, to me.
i would've said the same to anyone else, but all i know is that it works.

the oem 9mm extractor in my g19 with a 9mm cartridge in place had a lot of free play and could easily be moved off the breach face. here's a pic of mine: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=42

with the glock .40 extractor in my g19, a 9mm cartridge slides in and out easily, but more importantly it's held firmly against the breach face without any free play. the size of the .40 extractor claw also fits the 9mm cartridge better than the 9mm extractor.
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Old 03-17-2012, 17:49   #263
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@voyager4520:
would it be possible to improve the eratic ejection prob by replacing an existing 9mm LCI extractor with 9mm SLB with an older .40 NON-LCI extractor with complete NON-LCI .40S&W SLB or are there any probs to come?

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Old 03-17-2012, 18:16   #264
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would it be possible to improve the eratic ejection prob by replacing an existing 9mm LCI extractor with 9mm SLB with an older .40 NON-LCI extractor with complete NON-LCI .40S&W SLB or are there any probs to come?
That's possible, many people have done it. There are two types of non-LCI .40 extractor. One has a 15 degree cut to match the 15 degree cut of current production ejection ports on Glock slides, the other is an older version with a 90 degree cut to match the 90 degree ejection port that older Glock slides had.

The interesting thing is that the 90 degree extractor will work in a current slide that has a 15 degree ejection port. It just sticks out a little bit and looks ugly.
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Old 03-17-2012, 18:17   #265
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Interesting, I learn something new, here, from time to time. Thanks.
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Old 03-17-2012, 18:23   #266
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Have not tried it yet but I have been thinking about trying a non-LCI SLB with my LCI extractor.

The head of the non-LCI bearing is a little thicker and would seem to put a TAD more spring pressure on the plunger and on the extractor.

Might have to take a little off the tail of the SLB so it doesn't bottom out on the plunger.
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Old 03-17-2012, 18:25   #267
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@voyager4520:
thanks for the info.

do you know if all gen. 3 glocks (9mm models) have the 15 cut or when they changed the 90 to the 15, f.e. gen. 2 to gen. 3?

you refer to the angle of the cut that you can see when you look from above on the top of the slide/breech face, right?

lets say i could choose:
would you prefer a non-LCI extractor plus SLB over a LCI-extractor plus SLB (no matter if 9mm or .40)?
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Old 03-17-2012, 18:28   #268
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Glock's new parts list said no more non-LCI extractors for 9m/m 15 degree cuts----use LCI's instead.

May be the same for .40's but I didn't think to check.
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do you know if all gen. 3 glocks (9mm models) have the 15 cut or when they changed the 90 to the 15, f.e. gen. 2 to gen. 3?
I believe it was some time in late Gen2, perhaps very early Gen3 that the slides began receiving 15 degree ejection ports.

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you refer to the angle of the cut that you can see when you look from above on the top of the slide/breech face, right?
Glock ejection port differences:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost...45&postcount=6

Glock extractor differences:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost...8&postcount=16

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lets say i could choose:
would you prefer a non-LCI extractor plus SLB over a LCI-extractor plus SLB (no matter if 9mm or .40)?
It wouldn't matter to me. I'd prefer 15 degree though so it doesn't stick out and look ugly.

I have a 15 degree non-LCI extractor in my Gen3 G27, my Gen3 G23 has an LCI extractor that was made by the same old investment casting process. I've tried both extractors with their respective SLB's in the G23 which does not have the ejection problem, and both work equally well.
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Old 03-17-2012, 18:31   #270
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okay 15, of course

so no matter if LCI or non-LCI

how can i differ investment casting from MiM?

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Old 03-17-2012, 18:38   #271
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I just happened to think about I have a new extractor without the 15 degree cut on the face for the older 9's.

I just compared it to my LCI extractor and the only difference I can see aside from the cut is the hook on the old one is a little sharper and not as thick as the LCI.

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Old 03-17-2012, 18:42   #272
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I have a Gen. 2 from March 1995 that does not have the 15 degree cut.
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Old 03-17-2012, 18:43   #273
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okay 15, of course

so no matter if LCI or non-LCI

how can i differ investment casting from MiM?
Both of these are "MIM", you'll notice they have a little round bump on the top:
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost...&postcount=216

And this extractor is one of the old investment cast, it does not have a round bump on top:
1: http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...EXTRACTOR3.jpg
2: http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...EXTRACTOR4.jpg
3: http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...EXTRACTOR5.jpg
4: http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/...WEXTRACTOR.jpg

Another way to tell is that old investment cast extractors have the number cast into the internal spine of the extractor, new "MIM" extractors have the number cast into the rounded "leg" of the extractor:
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Old 03-17-2012, 18:44   #274
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thanks voyager4520, you helped me sooo much with all the info, i can't thank you enough!

my early gen. 3 (2-pins) has the 15 cut, produced in 09/99

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Old 03-17-2012, 19:14   #275
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Old 03-17-2012, 19:19   #276
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Using the 336 ejector and MIM LCI extractor, the light polishing on top and bottom of extractor fixed the brass to the face with my G19, and improved the strength and consistency of ejections with my G17 and G26 that were not sending brass to the face.

I'm not saying this is a cure for 100% of the problems, but it has resolved mine.
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Old 03-17-2012, 19:26   #277
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Using the 336 ejector and MIM LCI extractor, the light polishing on top and bottom of extractor fixed the brass to the face with my G19, and improved the strength and consistency of ejections with my G17 and G26 that were not sending brass to the face.

I'm not saying this is a cure for 100% of the problems, but it has resolved mine.
Happy for you!!!!!!
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Old 03-17-2012, 19:34   #278
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if i got it right, there are 4 dsitinctive features for the extractors:

angle to breechface 90 / 15
investment cast / MIM
non-LCI / LCI
non dipped / dipped

did i forget something?

are some features always combined with others, f.e. all non-LCI are always also investment cast, non-dipped and have a 15 angle etc.?

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Old 03-17-2012, 19:41   #279
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are some features always combined with others, f.e. all non-LCI are always also investment cast, non-dipped and have a 15 angle etc.?
dude, you're making it overly complicated. everything you've ever wanted to know to fix an erratic ejection has been discussed here and on this board. voyager already gave you some pointers earlier. pick one "fix," try it, and report back how it works for you. simple.
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... do you know if all gen. 3 glocks (9mm models) have the 15 cut or when they changed the 90 to the 15, f.e. gen. 2 to gen. 3?...
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I believe it was some time in late Gen2, perhaps very early Gen3 that the slides began receiving 15 degree ejection ports.
It was in late Gen2 for all Glocks. It started earlier in Gen2 G21's.

There were some ejection problems (not well-published, as many Glock glitches), so G21's had the 15 degree cut added before other models. In fact, the factory would rework a G21 slide with a 90 degree port... along with the stripper bar (that shoves the next round into the chamber). In the early 1990's, I took my G21 slide to the factory & it was sent back to me in a couple of weeks with those changes, plus a refinish job (very black dull finish back then). No charge.

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