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Old 04-12-2012, 17:42   #401
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Old 04-12-2012, 20:45   #402
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**** so I ordered the wrong one. Well maybe I can change my order.
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:20   #403
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That post says that the numbers molded into the stem of the extractor indicates what caliber it is for ... not always the case.

I was cleaning my 27 and noticed that the extractor was a number 3, I thought I had accidentially swapped hooks with one of my 9 mm pistols. When I checked the profile of the hook I found it was the tapered style designed for the .40 S&W.

So be sure to check the profile of the extractor when swapping them around.

Could it be the tapered face of the .40 extractor allows it to get a better bite on the 9mm case, making it easier to pull the shell case out of the slide?
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Old 04-13-2012, 06:54   #404
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That post says that the numbers molded into the stem of the extractor indicates what caliber it is for ... not always the case.

I was cleaning my 27 and noticed that the extractor was a number 3, I thought I had accidentially swapped hooks with one of my 9 mm pistols. When I checked the profile of the hook I found it was the tapered style designed for the .40 S&W.

So be sure to check the profile of the extractor when swapping them around.

Could it be the tapered face of the .40 extractor allows it to get a better bite on the 9mm case, making it easier to pull the shell case out of the slide?
voyager does explain the numbers on the extractor mean nothing if it's a glock part. it's relevant only for a lwd part.

i believe the tapered claw is what cured my ejection problem. with the stock 9mm extractor, i would get a lot of black deposits on the left and right side of the breach face after 150+ rounds at the range. rounds 1-150 would eject normally, then the ejections would get progressively worse. with the glock 40sw extractor, i find very little deposits on the breach face even after 300 rounds, and all casings are held firmly in place.
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Old 04-13-2012, 15:21   #405
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All the people working on this (Glock included) I can't believe no one has figured out exactly what it is that is causing it. Its a shame people have to resort to experimenting with extractor and ejector combos to "stumble" on the right combination for their gun. Sounds to me like Glocks tolerances got too big on multiple parts, at least that would explain why the fix seems diffrent for every gun.....

This is gonna make a mess out of Glocks 75% parts compatability! It may end up being a negative percentage by the time you dig through a drawer full of extractors to find one on the low end of the tolerance to match the slide cutout in your pistol that happens to be on the high end of the tolerance

Sent my G34 to Glock a week and a half ago, hope to get shooting it again soon! I have to say despite the ejection problems I am REALLY impressed with the Glock design (its my first Glock) so simple and robust, the ejection issue is really unfortunate, hopefully it dosen't leave Glock with too big of a black eye.
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Old 04-13-2012, 16:29   #406
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Shot my 26 with the 33 round mag today. I had previously polished the OEM extractor. As in my last couple of range visits, no ejections to the face, a couple casings went high and right and the rest went to the right at 3 to 4 o'clock.

I shot CCI Blazer aluminium case 124 grain rounds. Normally I shoot WWB 115 gr.

I do believe that the "cure" will take care of 90% of the "erratic ejection" issues. Leftover problems IMO are likely caused by magazine spring tension, weak ammo or even the limp wrist.

I am still going to expierment with the non-LCI extractor and bearing, and may purchase the .40 caliber extractor as well.

I also shot a friend's newly acquired GI 1911 .45 along with my Glock. Just about every case went straight up and bounced off my head or ball cap. It could use some tweaking as well!
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did you only polish the OEM 9mm extractors top and bottom
or also the round knob
or the "step"
or the claw?

did you also change the ejector?
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Old 04-13-2012, 18:35   #408
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All the people working on this (Glock included) I can't believe no one has figured out exactly what it is that is causing it. Its a shame people have to resort to experimenting with extractor and ejector combos to "stumble" on the right combination for their gun. Sounds to me like Glocks tolerances got too big on multiple parts, at least that would explain why the fix seems diffrent for every gun.....

This is gonna make a mess out of Glocks 75% parts compatability! It may end up being a negative percentage by the time you dig through a drawer full of extractors to find one on the low end of the tolerance to match the slide cutout in your pistol that happens to be on the high end of the tolerance

Sent my G34 to Glock a week and a half ago, hope to get shooting it again soon! I have to say despite the ejection problems I am REALLY impressed with the Glock design (its my first Glock) so simple and robust, the ejection issue is really unfortunate, hopefully it dosen't leave Glock with too big of a black eye.
I still think the RSA is sprung to heavy. I have 3 9mm Gen4's. 2-19's and 1-26. All wih different born on dates. 1 of the 19's is early gen4 the other 2012. I have updated parts in all of my 9mm's. I have also polished the extractors in all 3. I find that if I run 9mm ammo in the 1200+fps range they all eject right 4-oclock 6-8' away. With 9mm less than 1150fps they start to get erratic. No failures, just weak/sloppy ejections. And weight of the bullet does not matter, it's all about the velocity.

Go try some Speer Lawman 115gr (1200fps) and see how it runs.
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Old 04-13-2012, 19:00   #409
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I still think the RSA is sprung to heavy. I have 3 9mm Gen4's. 2-19's and 1-26. All wih different born on dates. 1 of the 19's is early gen4 the other 2012. I have updated parts in all of my 9mm's. I have also polished the extractors in all 3. I find that if I run 9mm ammo in the 1200+fps range they all eject right 4-oclock 6-8' away. With 9mm less than 1150fps they start to get erratic. No failures, just weak/sloppy ejections. And weight of the bullet does not matter, it's all about the velocity.

Go try some Speer Lawman 115gr (1200fps) and see how it runs.
The Speer Lawman is $100 more for 1000 rounds, that aint gonna happen, I use the gun for plinking, if it wont shoot the cheap stuff it is of no use to me. Hoping Glock gets it fixed, I do love the gun, but wont put up with it spitting brass at me.

EDIT, I should mention it's a gen 3, not the new RSA, same old tried and tested one...

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Old 04-14-2012, 00:09   #410
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did you only polish the OEM 9mm extractors top and bottom
or also the round knob
or the "step"
or the claw?

did you also change the ejector?

If that was directed at my Glocks ...

Polished top and bottom of the OEM extractors, did a general polsih with 1500 paper of the "round knob" but haven't really touched the step or claw.

I ordered the new ejectors from a local Glock armourer, but not sure when or if I'll ever see them.
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yes it was directed at your glock, 153.

thanks for the answer.
please keep us informed how they perform if you'll change the ejector to new style or the extractor to .40S&W sometimes
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Old 04-14-2012, 22:12   #412
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I just had the new ejector put in my new Glock 17 Gen 3, replacing my 336 one at my local glock dealer today(glad I did not have to send it to glock). I haven't had the chance to go shoot it yet. I am not holding my breath that this will fix it though since a lot of people still have issues with this new ejector.

Has any one tried pulling the extractor from a glock 22/23 to see if the glock .40 cal extractor helps?
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Old 04-14-2012, 22:15   #413
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Has any one tried pulling the extractor from a glock 22/23 to see if the glock .40 cal extractor helps?
novasquid did, he had to file part of the claw down a little to make it work. Every other person I've heard from who's tried a .40 extractor in a 9mm Glock said it dropped in and worked just fine without modification, and it fixed the ejection problem.
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Old 04-14-2012, 22:21   #414
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novasquid did, he had to file part of the claw down a little to make it work. Every other person I've heard from who's tried a .40 extractor in a 9mm Glock said it dropped in and worked just fine without modification, and it fixed the ejection problem.
Thanks Voyager, I'll try that as a second step if I continue to have problems still with the new ejector.

has any one seen this?

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc...5/m/3520070672
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I wonder if the OP of that thread got the Apex extractor along with the lowered ejection port, or the Apex ejector. I'd like to see more companies make quality Glock extractors.

From the pictures it looks like the factory investment cast extractor.
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:15   #416
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When getting a new glock .40 extractor is it necessary to order the spring loaded bearing for it? or will the one in the glock 17 work fine with the one already in there?

Sorry for all the questions, I am sure this is probably answered some where. But its hard to scan thru all these pages of info.

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It should work fine with the 9mm spring loaded bearing as long as you get the Loaded Chamber Indicator(LCI) extractor. But you can get a .40 LCI spring loaded bearing to go with it, it should work fine with that one as well.
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Old 04-15-2012, 06:25   #418
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The stock SLB from my g19 worked fine with the 40sw LCI extractor. When I first put the new 40sw extractor in, the slide and barrel would not fully return to battery. I examined it and figured filing a little bit off the top of the claw facing the breach face would help. It's been working perfectly since then through many 100s of rounds per range session.
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I've been lurking here for awhile, and thought I'd add my experience with this fix. I have a Generation 2 1/2 (finger grooves but no rail) G30 that has always spit brass all over the place. My extractor has a small number "11" molded into it as seen in the picture below.

I polished the top and bottom of the extractor first by laying 320, 600, and then 1500 grit paper on a piece of glass to keep it perfectly flat. Testing at this point showed no difference in ejection pattern, but the extractor did move more freely in the slide.

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I then filed 0.005" (measured with a micrometer) of the step that's been talked about so much here. At this point the ejection pattern looked very good, but I had several failures to eject in which the empty brass was extracted cleanly, but lodged between the slide face and top of the barrel. Maybe the extractor held it TOO firmly now? I guess that means 0.005" was too much to take off in my case.

I'll be ordering some more parts and starting from scratch I guess. Oh well - nothing ventured nothing gained.
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kotengu,

Thanks for sharing your expierence!

Just got new non-LCI spring loaded bearings, and mounted them up in my two 9 m/m Glocks (26 & 19) ran some dummy rounds and they ejected cleanly. Will try this new/old set up next week.

I do think that even with the best functioning extractor and ejector, the magazine spring and ammo still plays a role in this issue. I'm hoping that going "retro" with my extractors, provides the most reliable "fix".

My big complaint is that the extractor is a pretty expensive part for a Glock, otherwise I'd hedge my bet by buying two for the .40 caliber.
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I may have spoken too soon. The test with the FTE's mentioned above I did with two 13 rd G21 magazines that I haven't used much. I wanted to run as much ammo through the pistol as quickly as I could pull the trigger, so I used my hi-caps.

I just repeated the test with two known good 10 rd G30 magazines. The first magazine was loaded with all the same headstamp (everything I shoot is reloads, typically with mixed brass). Shots 1-9 ejected perfectly at 4 o'clock, and the last shot ejected back toward me.

The second magazine I filled with mixed brass. The ejection pattern wasn't as repeatable as with the uniform brass (of course), but it was much improved over how it's been in the past. There were no malfunctions with either magazine.

Twenty good rounds doesn't prove the rule, but it sure does look better. I'll keep shooting and see how it does as I put more rounds through it. Thanks to everyone for posting here!
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Seems as if the more I do to my Gen.3 (12/09) 19 , the worse the ejection gets.

At the first I got a few crazy ejections per mag. Polished the top and bottom of the extractor and things got worse.

Removed a very small amount from the step and still no change, more crazy ejections.

Today was the worse I ever had. Empty cases went everywhere. Left,at my feet,over my head,right forward,in my face and a few where they should be.

Had a 8ft.X 10ft. tarp spread out to my right to ease my brass pickup and had more cases off the tarp than on it.

Wish I had left well enough alone with just a few cases to my head instead of trying to fix it.
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Im still thinking you have to take reloads out of the mix here. The only time I still seem to get bonked in the head, is when Im using my reloads, and especially those with a high reload count. Factory ammo still has been flawless.

This trend also seems to be with all 11 of my 9mm Glocks, and whether Ive fiddled with the extractors (only a couple) or not.

As I noted earlier, the more the brass has been reloaded, the rougher, and more tore up the rims on the cases are. Im believing that the changes in the rims over time is a big factor here, or at least in my case.

Seems to me, reloads ought not be used to prove any of these theories, or at least until its proven that everything runs fine with factory loaded ammo.
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Old 04-15-2012, 16:01   #424
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seems like every online distributor who sells the LW .40 cal extractor is back ordered. Kind of sad that people are resorting to after market stuff to fix a problem that Glock should of figured out by now or resorting to modifying stock extractors to make them work.

I would like to know the number of people who have zero problems regarding ejection in a late model gen 3 or new gen 4 without having to resort to modifying or using different parts? Are there any? Maybe we should get a poll going.
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Old 04-16-2012, 09:18   #425
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just being curious:
has anyone tried to install a new model .40 ejector "28926" in a 9mm glock, because changing from old model 9mm ejector "336" to new model 9mm ejector "30274" didn't do the job?
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