[kamonjj]

I talked to apex and they said they won't be out for awhile. I did however order all their stuff for my new m&p9c which has pretty awesome ejection already. I ordered it last night, and it will be here saturday. With all the apex upgrades, my m&p is still cheaper than my glock and I shot a 24 round group in the size of a silver dollar yesterday from 10 yards. I think I'm converted.

[dusty_dragon]

what is the round "golden" mark in the middle of the extractor?

[jdavis6576]

It's a wear mark which I thought was very odd.

Anyone have experience with Lone Wolf extractors? I haven't done a search yet, just curious. I may order two as my FDE G17 was ejecting very weak today. None hit me but several ejected at 6:00. I was shooting Federal Champion, if I'd been shooting Rangers it probably would've dented my skull.

[dusty_dragon]

i don't think the golden round dot in the middle is a wear mark, the scratches are of course, but the dot seems to be from the manufacturing process.

i checked one of my mint OEM extractor which never was installed in a gun (just spare part) and it has the same round dot at exactly the same spot.

could it be part of the MIM manufacturing process?

[jb1911]

I've got a Gen 3, G26 with a 336 ejector, a dipped non polished LCI extractor that falls out on it's own.
My slide is the rough, grey finish. Fired date is June of 2011. It operates flawlessly in every way. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

[dusty_dragon]

seems so ;-)

i got a gen. 3 G19, "336"-ejector, non-LCI extractor plus non-LCI-SLB (all factory setup)
produced in 09/99, works perfect.

also got a gen. 3 G17, "336"-ejector, LCI non-dipped plus SLB extractor (factory setup) produced in 04/2007, had erratic ejection from the beginning on.

i changed the "336" to the "32074" and the dipped LCI extractor to a non-LCI extractor plus non-LCI-SLB, now works flawless

[153]

Originally Posted by dusty_dragon

what is the round "golden" mark in the middle of the extractor?

It is where the firing pin safety plunger contacts the extractor hook.

[dusty_dragon]

i see, so it's perhaps the same spot, but my extractor was never installed in a gun before and so never in contact with the safety plunger, but has exactly the same mark at exactly the same spot on bottom and on top?

[Apprentice]

Originally Posted by jb1911

I've got a Gen 3, G26 with a 336 ejector, a dipped non polished LCI extractor that falls out on it's own.
My slide is the rough, grey finish. Fired date is June of 2011. It operates flawlessly in every way. Guess I'm one of the lucky ones.

But not the Lone Ranger. Have no trouble with 13 of 14 9mm's incl 8 Gen 4's. The one mentioned earlier ran but was a little sketchy so I changed extractors.

[153]

Erratic Ejection seems to be the theme of the day. Lots of posts on this subject that are not being logged into this sticky...

I don't think is is an isolated problem, with just 1% of owners having issues because of grip or stance. Yesterday I shot about 100 rounds through the G26. WWB worked well, but with a box of reloads - got my first round to the forehead. the reloads also produced a few other erratic ejections. I was using the non-LCI hook and SLB.

I think I am ready to invest in the .40 hooks, my .40 hasn't had any issues, I'm glad that is my carry piece.

I do think that alot of this problem is ammo induced. The real fix may be with the recoil spring and not the extractor. Hand cycling my pistols with dummy rounds they work great.

[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by 153

Erratic Ejection seems to be the theme of the day. Lots of posts on this subject that are not being logged into this sticky...

I don't think is is an isolated problem, with just 1% of owners having issues because of grip or stance. Yesterday I shot about 100 rounds through the G26. WWB worked well, but with a box of reloads - got my first round to the forehead. the reloads also produced a few other erratic ejections. I was using the non-LCI hook and SLB.

I think I am ready to invest in the .40 hooks, my .40 hasn't had any issues, I'm glad that is my carry piece.

I do think that alot of this problem is ammo induced. The real fix may be with the recoil spring and not the extractor. Hand cycling my pistols with dummy rounds they work great.

I've suspected this for a long time, now. If not THE culprit then definitely a contributing factor.

(I think the new RGA has a different, possibly incompatible, 'pulse' to it; one that is not ideally tuned for use with a very loose, modified, Browning barrel lockup. If the ammo isn't hot, then, a shooter can expect to have problems - Especially if the extractor is anything less than perfect.)

Nice going!



And from a forum newbie, too! You know ....... sometimes that's what it takes!

[Made in Austria]

What I noticed on some g19 gen4 is that its sometimes very hard to unlock the action, it almost seems to be stuck, compared to my g23 gen4 and my g19 gen4 which are very easy unlock. I'll bet lots or even too much recoil energy gets eaten up by unlocking the barrel alone.

Another thing I noticed is that I can feel the slide cycling when I fire a g19 gen4, long after I pulled the trigger. I can't feel that with my gen3 or any of my 23 gen4's. This would suggest an very slow moving slide.

[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by Made in Austria

What I noticed on some g19 gen4 is that its sometimes very hard to unlock the action, it almost seems to be stuck, compared to my g23 gen4 and my g19 gen4 which are very easy unlock. I'll bet lots or even too much recoil energy gets eaten up by unlocking the barrel alone.

Another thing I noticed is that I can feel the slide cycling when I fire a g19 gen4, long after I pulled the trigger. I can't feel that with my gen3 or any of my 23 gen4's. This would suggest an very slow moving slide.

Yup. More good observations! (Not the first time I've read something like this, either.)

[faawrenchbndr]

I was thinking that veery thing yesterday at the range!
I noticed Lone Wold has a 3rd Gen style recoil spring
assy for the Gen 4 Glock 19. $25 for the spring assy, and
another $10 for a conversion spring cup.

Think it may be worth trying? $35 total for the parts.

[Arc Angel]

If it were MY Gen4 EDC I'd already own that RGA.

(and a couple of different extractors, too!)

[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

If it were MY Gen4 EDC I'd already own that RGA.

(and a couple of different extractors, too!)

I'm already working on that idea.........

[Apprentice]

Chasing new RSA's would be low on my list. Our 1st two Gen 4 G17s have their original unmarked .40 weight RSAs and one has run 10K rds without a malf and the other 3200 the same. Similiar record for two early production Gen 4 G19s.

Over 90% of the 20K through those guns was "weak" ammo. 115 grain WWB, UMC, Fed, etc

[Pn2]

I tried Gen 3 spring on a Gen 4 19, didn;t seem to help, but maybe the new Gen 3 spring was tight and not broken in

I have the same observation I said in another thread, as the rds go by the slide can be racked easily than the first day and I think that is making it work, alsowhen I am Lubing the slide good, the ejections are better.

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

(I think the new RGA has a different, possibly incompatible, 'pulse' to it; one that is not ideally tuned for use with a very loose, modified, Browning barrel lockup. If the ammo isn't hot, then, a shooter can expect to have problems - Especially if the extractor is anything less than perfect.)

Then why is the new Gen3's having the same problem?

[zero9046]

I am a recent Glock convert...bought a Gen 4 G17 last week and as I've shot it, it has consistently thrown 3-5 brass in my face out of every 10 rounds. I've tried all different kinds of FMJ ammo (federal, spear, blazer, remington, etc.) and the ammo doesn't seem to make a difference.

I REALLY enjoy how the gun shoots, even with the brass to the face, so I'm determined to either fix the issue myself by swapping a few parts, or I'll send it in to Glock if I absolutely have to.

To that end, I ordered a trigger housing from Lone Wolf (not knowing any better), and an Lone Wolf 9mm extractor. After ordering I did even more reading and discovered that I actually needed a very specific part number on the trigger housing ejector (my original is stamped 336), one marked 30274. Luck for me, the trigger housing I ordered from Lone Wolf came with a 30274 ejector! Unlucky for me, the extractor will NOT fit into the slide...not sure what to make of that since I've been reading that even .40 extractors will fit, so I'll have to take that up with Lone Wolf.

At the very least, I have some experimenting to do tomorrow at the range...I hope maybe the replaced ejector does the trick to get rid of brass in my face, but we will see!

[dusty_dragon]

hopefully the 30274 is all you needed, sometimes this change alone has cured the prob.

if not, try to polish the LWD extractor to fit the slide (just causwe you have it at home anyway), but i'll recommend a .40 extractor the next time you order parts, not another 9mm

[voyager4520]

Originally Posted by zero9046

Luck for me, the trigger housing I ordered from Lone Wolf came with a 30274 ejector!

Thanks for that report, now that's one more confirmed source for non-Armorers to get the 30274 ejector.

Unlucky for me, the extractor will NOT fit into the slide...not sure what to make of that since I've been reading that even .40 extractors will fit, so I'll have to take that up with Lone Wolf.

Some have reported with LWD extractors that the round leg of the extractor is misshapen in an oblong fashion and that leg may need to be stoned to make it fit into the slide. I didn't experience this with the one LWD extractor I tried, it dropped right in and out freely.

[zero9046]

Ok, went to the range this morning with the 30274 ejector and had mixed results. I didn't have any more remington rounds to shoot this time, so all I shot was the Blazer, Federal, and Speer.

The Speer was FLAWLESS. Every round ejected out to the side and hit the partition at the range. Made me pretty happy. Could this in part be because Speer loads their rounds a bit hotter? (I read somewhere that Speer 115gr TMJ rounds are more loaded similarly to their 124gr hollow points...if so I can believe it because there was a small, albeit noticeable difference between the Speer, and the Federal and Blazer).

The Federal was better than previous range trips, no rounds to my head, but the would sort of "dribble" out more than the Speer, and I was getting some over my head and on my shoulder. Kind of disappointed about this, as I usually only shoot federal because I've never had any issues with it in my Ruger (stopped shooting WWB in my Ruger because of light strikes).

The Blazer SUCKED. Every single round came right back at my head...unfortunate since I had just ordered 250 rounds in a bulk by with my brother to save some cash. The upside is that my Ruger SR9c (my carry gun) seems to like the Blazer just fine, so I guess I'll shoot that Blazer in my Ruger.

In short, I'm still disappointed that I'm having some ejection issues, though with the new ejector it is better. I mentioned in my first post that I had also purchased a Lone Wolf aftermarket extractor, and surmised that it was the wrong one because I couldn't get it to fit last night. I'm not really sure what I was doing/thinking last night that wouldn't allow it to fit (I was putting it in the correct way, it just seemed like it wasn't fitting), but this morning, while my gun was apart for cleaning, I tried it again for kicks, and it slid right in...so...another trip to the range is in order to see if the combination of a new ejector AND new extractor fixes the ejection issue once and for all.

If it doesn't, I'll either just stick to buying Speer Lawman online since I can find it for about the same price as Federal at Walmart, and not worry about it since I haven't had a problem with it or my hollowpoint. Or...if that little niggle in the back of my mind just wont go away, I suppose I'll send it in to Glock (with the original parts re-installed) if I have to.

I REALLY like the way this gun shoots so I'm working really hard to fix/get over the brass to the face issue.

[Made in Austria]

Very good range report. Thanks!

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by zero9046

The Speer was FLAWLESS. Every round ejected out to the side and hit the partition at the range. Made me pretty happy. Could this in part be because Speer loads their rounds a bit hotter? (I read somewhere that Speer 115gr TMJ rounds are more loaded similarly to their 124gr hollow points...if so I can believe it because there was a small, albeit noticeable difference between the Speer, and the Federal and Blazer).


The Blazer SUCKED.


If it doesn't, I'll either just stick to buying Speer Lawman .

I have been trying to tell people with Gen4 9mm pistols this for months, but for some reason it keeps getting ignored.

The 115gr Speer is 1200fps and make your ejections nice.
124gr speer is not as good. Why? 1090fps muzzle velocity.

Want to know why the Blazer sucks? 1145fps, that's why.

Anything less than 1150fps will eject erratic. Assuming your pistol has erratic ejection problems to begin with.

Also, you can run 115gr American Eagle, 1180fps. Ejects nice. Or 124gr Nato ammo, usually 1185fps.

And I am tired of hearing about bullet weight. It has absolutely nothing to do with it. It is all about muzzle velocity. Actually, the heavier the bullet, the less the muzzle velocity (in most cases, exceptions=+P & +P+ ammo). Don't believe me? Record all your ammo's muzzle velocity vs ejection performance.