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Old 06-18-2012, 18:10   #726
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Love the gen 4 and hopefully will be getting one soon. If I can find one in DE. I know, wishful thinking.

Anywho - most will probably ask more questions to help give advice and mine would be what type of ammo are you shooting? I'd start there.
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Old 06-18-2012, 18:15   #727
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well, here is the usual process with this unfortunate and common defect with these new Glocks:

1. Spend $500 on gun
2. spend about $100 on ammo for your new toy
3. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
4. call Glock, get hit-or-miss customer service and have to demand THEY pay shipping
5. send gun back to Glock, wait a month, then get gun back saying "meets specs, test fired".
6. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right....
7. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
8. call Glock again, get hit or miss customer service
9. send gun back to Glock, wait a month, then get the gun back saying "replaced ejector, meets specs, test fired"
10. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right
11. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
12. call Glock, get hit or miss customer service
13. wait a week for them to send you one of two/three versions of a recoil-spring to fix the problem
14. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right
15. get blasted in the face /head/arms with brass
16. get really pissed off at all the money you have wasted shooting a gun that should run right out of the box....
17. go but a new extractor form lone wolf, or apex, etc....
18. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right......
19. runs good with the new extactor ))))
20. 500 rounds later, get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass when you finally figure out the slot for the extractor is out-of-spec and again you are getting blasted in the face/head/arms with brass.....
21. get pissed off enough to say the HELL with 9mm Glocks and buy an MP, XD or a Sig...........
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i had a brand new G26, that after 500 rounds started doing that crap........traded it off IMMEDIATELY to save time, money and headaches.........that is what i suggest you do OP....

and i am NOT anti-glock......my CCW piece is a flawless G27 and own a couple other Glocks in .40....I LOVE THEM.....

but until glock gets this crap fixed, and people stop wasting their time and hard-earned money, thats the advice im giving to people......

FWIW.....which, like all advice, is free and usually not worth the paper its written on...LOL...LOL
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Old 06-18-2012, 18:53   #728
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well, here is the usual process with this unfortunate and common defect with these new Glocks:

1. Spend $500 on gun
2. spend about $100 on ammo for your new toy
3. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
4. call Glock, get hit-or-miss customer service and have to demand THEY pay shipping
5. send gun back to Glock, wait a month, then get gun back saying "meets specs, test fired".
6. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right....
7. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
8. call Glock again, get hit or miss customer service
9. send gun back to Glock, wait a month, then get the gun back saying "replaced ejector, meets specs, test fired"
10. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right
11. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
12. call Glock, get hit or miss customer service
13. wait a week for them to send you one of two/three versions of a recoil-spring to fix the problem
14. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right
15. get blasted in the face /head/arms with brass
16. get really pissed off at all the money you have wasted shooting a gun that should run right out of the box....
17. go but a new extractor form lone wolf, or apex, etc....
18. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right......
19. runs good with the new extactor ))))
20. 500 rounds later, get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass when you finally figure out the slot for the extractor is out-of-spec and again you are getting blasted in the face/head/arms with brass.....
21. get pissed off enough to say the HELL with 9mm Glocks and buy an MP, XD or a Sig...........
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i had a brand new G26, that after 500 rounds started doing that crap........traded it off IMMEDIATELY to save time, money and headaches.........that is what i suggest you do OP....

and i am NOT anti-glock......my CCW piece is a flawless G27 and own a couple other Glocks in .40....I LOVE THEM.....

but until glock gets this crap fixed, and people stop wasting their time and hard-earned money, thats the advice im giving to people......

FWIW.....which, like all advice, is free and usually not worth the paper its written on...LOL...LOL
It's sad but sadly that seems to be the case with Glock perfection these days, I will not spend money on a new Glock if fact I won't purchase any Glock made latter than 2006,that's just me. SJ 40
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Old 06-18-2012, 19:02   #729
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I only had one FTE with mine in the first ten rounds, but went ahead and applied all the prescribed "fixes" (updated RSAs, new extractor, new ejector.) Glock paid for all the upgrades and shipping both ways. Had that gun for two years and a couple thousand rounds now...still that just that one FTE with WWB 115gr. ammo out of the first ten rounds I fired out of the gun.

Hope you can get yours to run to your satisfaction. I understand some folks have had issues with theirs, but when they run, they are great guns.
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Old 06-18-2012, 19:03   #730
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Mine runs perfectly as far as not jamming but the ejection is pathetic. Left, right, up, back, dribble, hard, everything you can think of. And it seems to be getting worse over time (and I have changed RSAs, ejectors, and extractors).
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Old 06-18-2012, 19:08   #731
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just curious to know if your gun would behave the same way with just the 30274 installed and the OEM extractor spring.
perhaps you'll test this setup and see which part cured the prob.
I will test that setup soon. I just didn't have much time on my hands this time at the range. I am also going to test it with a Lone Wolf Extractor and with a modified Glock extractor just to see if there is any difference. I'll report back soon.
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Old 06-18-2012, 19:15   #732
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Can anyone say "limp wrist"? I really do hate to bring that up, but that gun shouldn't have to be rebuilt over and over, to make it work. Make sure you keep your wrist "locked".
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Old 06-18-2012, 19:33   #733
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Old 06-18-2012, 19:42   #734
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Make sure you keep your wrist and arm and wrist locked together, when you shoot it.

Guns with polymer frames just don't seem to work, for some people. The frame isn't heavy enough to make sure the recoil impulse can cycle the slide properly.
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Old 06-18-2012, 20:02   #735
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well, here is the usual process with this unfortunate and common defect with these new Glocks:

1. Spend $500 on gun
2. spend about $100 on ammo for your new toy
3. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
4. call Glock, get hit-or-miss customer service and have to demand THEY pay shipping
5. send gun back to Glock, wait a month, then get gun back saying "meets specs, test fired".
6. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right....
7. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
8. call Glock again, get hit or miss customer service
9. send gun back to Glock, wait a month, then get the gun back saying "replaced ejector, meets specs, test fired"
10. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right
11. get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass
12. call Glock, get hit or miss customer service
13. wait a week for them to send you one of two/three versions of a recoil-spring to fix the problem
14. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right
15. get blasted in the face /head/arms with brass
16. get really pissed off at all the money you have wasted shooting a gun that should run right out of the box....
17. go but a new extractor form lone wolf, or apex, etc....
18. spend another $50-100 on ammo to make sure it works right......
19. runs good with the new extactor ))))
20. 500 rounds later, get blasted in the face/head/arms with brass when you finally figure out the slot for the extractor is out-of-spec and again you are getting blasted in the face/head/arms with brass.....
21. get pissed off enough to say the HELL with 9mm Glocks and buy an MP, XD or a Sig...........
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i had a brand new G26, that after 500 rounds started doing that crap........traded it off IMMEDIATELY to save time, money and headaches.........that is what i suggest you do OP....

and i am NOT anti-glock......my CCW piece is a flawless G27 and own a couple other Glocks in .40....I LOVE THEM.....

but until glock gets this crap fixed, and people stop wasting their time and hard-earned money, thats the advice im giving to people......

FWIW.....which, like all advice, is free and usually not worth the paper its written on...LOL...LOL
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Old 06-18-2012, 22:18   #736
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Make sure you keep your wrist and arm and wrist locked together, when you shoot it.

Guns with polymer frames just don't seem to work, for some people. The frame isn't heavy enough to make sure the recoil impulse can cycle the slide properly.
You don't watch many of hickok45's videos do you? I don't think that 6'8" guy with decades of shooting experience limp wrists Glocks but if you watch his videos closely you can see all kinds of examples of poor ejection.

Just stop with the excuses people.

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Old 06-18-2012, 22:34   #737
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Make sure you keep your wrist and arm and wrist locked together, when you shoot it.

Guns with polymer frames just don't seem to work, for some people. The frame isn't heavy enough to make sure the recoil impulse can cycle the slide properly.
You don't have an explanation why older Glocks worked for everyone?
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Old 06-18-2012, 22:35   #738
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You don't watch many of hickok45's videos do you? I don't think that 6'8" guy with decades of shooting experience limp wrists Glocks but if you watch his videos closely you can see all kinds of examples of poor ejection.

Just stop with the excuses people.
Amazing how some will defend Glock just to defend Glock.
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Old 06-18-2012, 22:39   #739
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I wouldnt judge it just yet until you run about 200 rounds of 124 gr. Lawman through it. It needs a hotter ammo for break-in. Even my HK had weak ejection until it was broke-in. The recoil springs are a bit stiff at first . Dont give up on her.
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Old 06-18-2012, 22:49   #740
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Can anyone say "limp wrist"? I really do hate to bring that up, but that gun shouldn't have to be rebuilt over and over, to make it work. Make sure you keep your wrist "locked".
Gee, we never thought of that.
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Old 06-18-2012, 22:50   #741
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I had a similar issue with my G21 a while back but it seems to have quit doing it.
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Old 06-19-2012, 00:52   #742
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@tmoore912:
thanks, that info would be great
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Old 06-19-2012, 06:20   #743
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I started this thread but haven't posted here in ages.

Thought you deserved an update.

My extractor tuning on my G17 worked for some hundreds of rounds. Then I began to get brass to the face again. Then, my G19 started up at about 800-1000 rds or something like that. I shipped both guns to Glock, they did something to them they would not tell me {tho replacing the extractors was done on both guns for sure} and sent them back with 336 ejectors. They worked fine.

I sold them.

I am done with Glocks. I've never liked certain aspects of the guns design to be frank, and have no confidence that a purchase will not mean trouble, that is, with a new gun.

My G20 was a lemon that Glock replaced. My next two developed issues. Glock has been quite frank in recognizing the problems with their guns. Customer service has been helpful. It's not "Glock" I don't like. It's their guns I don't like.

Just my experience as I know there are many, many satisfied Glock owners.

There are, of course, other guns out there and I've found one new model I like very much and one oldie I have come to re-appreciate again.

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Old 06-19-2012, 06:35   #744
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Hi,

A bit of followup to my 3rd gen G19. My previous range session was a disaster with nearly 90% of the brass hitting my in the face/head/eye protection. I fully acknowledge that the reload I am shooting is soft by around 50fps.

So I'd have lots of stuff to try, I ordered a 15# and 17# reduced spring from Wolff along with a guide rod to try. I also brought along my old ejectors (before switching to the 30274), a couple of new extractors, and my Glock disassembly tool. I was ready for some piece and part swapping at the range!

But...the first thing I tried (15# spring) sent all the brass to the right and none in my face. I wouldn't say a nice little pile of brass, but probably 3 feet diameter pile 4 feet to the right and rear of the shooting position. So in my case, the issue seems to be ammo with not enough power vs. standard RSA is too heavy.

Thanks,

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3/4Flap,
Thanks for the update. It is very sad - both for you and for Glock. I have never had any reliability problems with the 4 I have owned, though my first G20 (Gen 1) produced a fine embedded coating of brass on the ejection port and so was not ejecting properly even 16 years ago.

I do sympathise with your decision!

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How many rounds have you fired through it?
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alank2; What are the actual chronographed velocities of the loads you are shooting?

English; thanks very much but guns mean little to me tho I use them a lot and enjoy them as entertainment, too. They are fascinating tools and devices.

I know we are all told Glocks are the best, and maybe they are for some, but even when working right some of their design features became so annoying to me I do not miss them at all.
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alank2; What are the actual chronographed velocities of the loads you are shooting?
.355 Precision FMJ 147gr
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Avg Vel. 892 fps
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I probably need to up this a bit, but it is a nice soft shooting load...

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Hi,

A bit of followup to my 3rd gen G19. My previous range session was a disaster with nearly 90% of the brass hitting my in the face/head/eye protection. I fully acknowledge that the reload I am shooting is soft by around 50fps.

So I'd have lots of stuff to try, I ordered a 15# and 17# reduced spring from Wolff along with a guide rod to try. I also brought along my old ejectors (before switching to the 30274), a couple of new extractors, and my Glock disassembly tool. I was ready for some piece and part swapping at the range!

But...the first thing I tried (15# spring) sent all the brass to the right and none in my face. I wouldn't say a nice little pile of brass, but probably 3 feet diameter pile 4 feet to the right and rear of the shooting position. So in my case, the issue seems to be ammo with not enough power vs. standard RSA is too heavy.

Thanks,

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I recently bought a new HK P30L and, HK recommended a hotter load for the first 200-400 rounds for break-in due to the stiff recoil spring (anything above 115 gr.) . I used 124 gr. Lawman for the first 100 rounds and it ejected strong to the right. I then switch to my usual .115 gr. target load and the brass just dribbled out of the slide. After another 120 or so rounds of the Lawman, I switched back to my 115 gr. ammo and it ejects strong now. So, I can see how switching the stock Glock recoil spring to a lighter one would help with ejection of light loads. Just another piece of the puzzle.............
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alank2;

That is not a gross underload with a G19, especially with an ES of 14 fps.

Should work, but we have been told all sorts of things about ammo and Glocks over the past few years that I've done my best {insignificant} to squelch.

My G17 averaged about 30 fps over my 19 and my 17 "L" barrel about 35 more.

Don't start thinking that a Glock is allowed to be more finicky than a Luger.

{PS: My old Luger functioned with everything.}

I truly believe it is high time shooters en masse hold Glock's feet to the fire and expect from Glock what Glock gave to the shooting world for many years, excellent performance. The BTF troubles are not "internet hype", they are real. And with enough pressure {lost sales, complaints, returned guns, etc} Glock will come around.

They are advancing an old design {I didn't say "obsolete"} into a new world, and likely have on their drawing tables {computers!} a few advanced designs they have to date had no reason to produce and maybe trying to fix problems that don't exist and causing a few on the way.

I remember the days o this forum when anyone who complained of BTF was condemned by the "experts". We all do. Nonsense then and nonsense now. Glock needs to wise up and at least in my case they did and fixed their problems. But those problems should never have been, and certainly shouldn't continue. They readily admitted to me they had problems, but I suspect they do not want to make a recall or public acknowledgement for fear of the marketing repercussions, cost to update, etc.
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