Evolution: Another cheap answer! - Page 6

***Geko45*** · 02-23-2012, 07:57

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

We are regressing from being like Noah. Man is getting weaker and more diseased in every way.

Ok, so Noah lived to be 950 years old and because of our sinful nature we have being "regressing" from that and that is why our lifespans have gotten shorter. So, since avergae lifepsans have been increasing over the past hunderd / hundred fifty years does that mean we are coming close to god?

Vic Hays · 02-23-2012, 08:25

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Ok, so Noah lived to be 950 years old and because of our sinful nature we have being "regressing" from that and that is why our lifespans have gotten shorter. So, since avergae lifepsans have been increasing over the past hunderd / hundred fifty years does that mean we are coming close to god?

Lifespans have only increased where people have access to nutritious food and medical care. They have not increased elsewhere. In fact we have gotten sicker with all kinds of degenerative and genetic disease.

The Lord has a plan to bring us back to the ideal that He wanted for us in the first place.

I Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

***Geko45*** · 02-23-2012, 08:38

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

Lifespans have only increased where people have access to nutritious food and medical care. They have not increased elsewhere.

They have increased everywhere, just not by the same amounts.

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In fact we have gotten sicker with all kinds of degenerative and genetic disease.

Not true, the genetic diseases we have today have always been with us. We just didn't know they were there. People were more likely to die young from something as simple as an infection long before they ever got old enough for something like Parkinsons to kick in. But even those with genetic disorders are living longer.

Roering · 02-23-2012, 10:13

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Originally Posted by ArtificialGrape

Well, given the number people here that use "where did all the matter come from" as an objection to evolution, it seems just as valid to expect the Bible to explain the combustible engine.

-ArtificialGrape

Oh I see. Sorry AG but that's not my fight. I don't see the Bible as a "how to" book for such topics.

Vic Hays · 02-23-2012, 11:02

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Not true, the genetic diseases we have today have always been with us. We just didn't know they were there. People were more likely to die young from something as simple as an infection long before they ever got old enough for something like Parkinsons to kick in. But even those with genetic disorders are living longer.

How do you know that genetic diseases have always been with us? Sounds like some kind of assumption to me.

There was a time when three foot wingspan dragonflies existed. Is it possible that much more robust humans were around at that time? Maybe things have gone downhill like entropy suggests.

muscogee · 02-23-2012, 11:57

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

How do you know that genetic diseases have always been with us? Sounds like some kind of assumption to me.

You missed the point. Parkinson's. et al. are diseases of old age. If you die from typhoid at age 40 you're unlikely to get Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, or even diabetes or heart disease.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what counting system and calender the people in Noah's time used to determine he was 650 years old. You can't conclude that 650 years in Noah's time meant the same as it does today. I doubt those people could keep accurate track of time or could count to 650. I'll be happy to admit I'm mistaken if you can produce some proof. If not, can you admit that your really don't know?

Animal Mother · 02-23-2012, 12:51

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

There was a time when three foot wingspan dragonflies existed.

When was this time?

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Is it possible that much more robust humans were around at that time? Maybe things have gone downhill like entropy suggests.

It's possible, do you have any evidence that it is actually true?

TalkToTheGlock · 02-23-2012, 13:08

Vic is really weak when it comes to understanding mutations, genetics, and the eitiology of disease.

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Vic Hays · 02-23-2012, 13:49

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Originally Posted by TalkToTheGlock

Vic is really weak when it comes to understanding mutations, genetics, and the eitiology of disease.

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Vic graduated with honors studied mutations, genetics, and the etiology of disease. Must have understood something.

Check out this college professor. He is sharp!!

Walter J. Veith - The fossil record speaks - Part 1 - YouTube

***Geko45*** · 02-23-2012, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

Vic graduated with honors studied mutations, genetics, and the etiology of disease. Must have understood something.

I don't normally question someone's credentials (seems rude to me), but since you brought it up. You graduated with honors, but what was your major?

Vic Hays · 02-23-2012, 14:52

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Originally Posted by Geko45

I don't normally question someone's credentials (seems rude to me), but since you brought it up. You graduated with honors, but what was your major?

RN

In order to even get into the program you had to be much better than a C student then over half the class flunked out. It was not at all easy.

***Geko45*** · 02-23-2012, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

RN

In order to even get into the program you had to be much better than a C student then over half the class flunked out. It was not at all easy.

Very good, that is certainly an education that qualifies you to speak on the subject. Perhaps not as authoritatively as a geneticist, but certainly more so than a layman's understanding.

Bren · 02-23-2012, 16:07

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Originally Posted by steveksux

Hope you know more about your religion than you do about evolution.

Randy

Or science...or philosophy.

Tilley · 02-23-2012, 16:18

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Originally Posted by Bren

Or science...or philosophy.

Which is more than you know about police work.

Bren · 02-23-2012, 16:37

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Originally Posted by Tilley

Which is more than you know about police work.

Right, because having been a police officer, field training officer, firearms instructor, and academy instructor, that puts me way behind you guys who have never pinned on a badge.

Your credibility is no better here.

427 · 02-23-2012, 17:28

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

RN

In order to even get into the program you had to be much better than a C student then over half the class flunked out. It was not at all easy.

You're an RN, as in Registered Nurse!?

Even though you've had courses the deal with the human body and all of it's parts and functions and despite all of that, you think that vestigial organs/behaviors like the appendix, the coccyx, the vomeronasal organ, polymastia, plica semilunaris, Darwin's tubercle, and behaviors like: Palmar grasp reflex, pilomotor reflex among others are due to "damaged and missing genetic information". You've suspended rational thought and came up with an ideological thought for an explanation?

Animal Mother · 02-23-2012, 17:32

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

Vic graduated with honors studied mutations, genetics, and the etiology of disease. Must have understood something.

What causes disease?

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Check out this college professor. He is sharp!!

Walter J. Veith - The fossil record speaks - Part 1 - YouTube

What specific arguments does he make that you believe discredit evolutionary theory?

muscogee · 02-23-2012, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Vic Hays

RN

In order to even get into the program you had to be much better than a C student then over half the class flunked out. It was not at all easy.

Was this at a Bible college?

Vic Hays · 02-23-2012, 19:43

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Originally Posted by Geko45

Very good, that is certainly an education that qualifies you to speak on the subject. Perhaps not as authoritatively as a geneticist, but certainly more so than a layman's understanding.

People really don't appreciate the training that an RN has to go through.

BTW nice little plane. My son just got his pilot license

Vic Hays · 02-23-2012, 19:51

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Originally Posted by 427

You're an RN, as in Registered Nurse!?

Even though you've had courses the deal with the human body and all of it's parts and functions and despite all of that, you think that vestigial organs/behaviors like the appendix, the coccyx, the vomeronasal organ, polymastia, plica semilunaris, Darwin's tubercle, and behaviors like: Palmar grasp reflex, pilomotor reflex among others are due to "damaged and missing genetic information". You've suspended rational thought and came up with an ideological thought for an explanation?

When you understand how complex even a single cell is it is difficult to believe it happened by accident.

I had a chemistry professor who was an atheist. He was lecturing on the origin of life. He said it is like throwing a jigsaw puzzle up in the air and having it come down assembled. Then he said its not that easy. He knew something of the complexity of even the molecules that make up that single cell or even a virus. The probability of it happening by chance is about zero.

Vic Hays · 02-23-2012, 19:53

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Originally Posted by muscogee

Was this at a Bible college?

No, it was a community college and the competition was real tough. Everyone in my class passed the state boards. Anyone who could not really get way up there was weeded out.

steveksux · 02-23-2012, 20:05

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Originally Posted by Tilley

Which is more than you know about police work.

Hell, I know more about police work as a former reserve than you know about evolution...

Randy

steveksux · 02-23-2012, 20:07

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Originally Posted by 427

You're an RN, as in Registered Nurse!?

Even though you've had courses the deal with the human body and all of it's parts and functions and despite all of that, you think that vestigial organs/behaviors like the appendix, the coccyx, the vomeronasal organ, polymastia, plica semilunaris, Darwin's tubercle, and behaviors like: Palmar grasp reflex, pilomotor reflex among others are due to "damaged and missing genetic information". You've suspended rational thought and came up with an ideological thought for an explanation?

What makes you think its Registered Nurse?

Maybe this RN degree is Religious Notions?

Randy

Tilley · 02-23-2012, 20:08

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Originally Posted by Bren

Right, because having been a police officer, field training officer, firearms instructor, and academy instructor, that puts me way behind you guys who have never pinned on a badge.

Your credibility is no better here.

Wow...a police officer, field training officer, firearms instructor, and academy instructor...you are soooo awesome!

***Geko45*** · 02-23-2012, 20:27

Aww, come on folks (Tilley & Steveksux), the least we can do is respectfully acknowledge someone's area of expertise (even if we still disagree with their conclusions).