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Old 02-22-2012, 18:34   #1
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Is the J Frame For Back Up Consittered Old School

Was consittering the Ruger LCR to my Glock 23 for a back up weapon but really got razzed from some of the guys in my agency. They consittered even the LCR as old school and suggested I choose a compact 9MM. I was told almost no agencys authorize the j frames for back up weapons anywhere in the country and they are outdated. Don't know how accurate this statement is. I feel that it would and always has been an excellent pocket back up. How many of your agencys still have the j frame on the approved list and how many of you do carry them for back up. Im a Bond Enforcement Agent and want to get the best pocket protection possible. Lot of the guys carry the LCP but im just not comfortable carrying a 380 even for back up. All opinions would be apperciated. Need to find something to qualify with soon. Thanks guys.
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Old 02-22-2012, 18:39   #2
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I know a lot of local officers carry j-frames as BUGs or off-duty pieces.
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Old 02-22-2012, 18:43   #3
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A J-frame back-up rides with me on duty in my ballistic vest. Revolvers have distinct advantages over semi-automatic pistols. Wheelguns go bang when you pull the trigger and go bang again when you pull the trigger. An auto may be out of battery and not fire in close combat. It also may not cycle to give you a second shot if the slide is obstructed or the gun is "limp-wristed."

The downside to the revolver is the limited payload of ammunition and slow reloads, though, as a back-up it is a save your skin last resort.

I have no problem with five rounds of .38 Spl. +P 135 grn. GDHP's and a speedstrip in the right front pants pocket in case of trouble.

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Old 02-22-2012, 18:44   #4
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I know plenty of agencies in AZ authorizing Jframes. Restrictions are generally based on caliber, not action.

I use a Jframe when I need a gun that will roam around from pants pocket to overcoat to car console. It's still a tool with niches. Not a primary gun by any stretch of the imagination, not even the best off-duty weapon. But for a "get the eff offa me" piece, it still has many positives.
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Old 02-22-2012, 19:33   #5
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Been wearing a J frame .38 snub for a backup gun since 1990, every day in uniform and when pulled tours for several years as a Detective. Currently I am working patrol, graveyards with a Glock 22 as sidearm, hammerless S&W snubbie on my body armor straps, AND a Ruger LCP .380 in my wallet pocket, a new addition this week replacing the Kel-Tec P-32 I had in there. When I wore BDU's, a second Snubbie rode there. My J frame saved me once in a bad problem, and well worth considering.
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Old 02-22-2012, 19:37   #6
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Old school was a good school, J-frames have been around for a long time have been proven over and over. I have several chief specials and keep one in reach all the time.
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Old 02-22-2012, 19:49   #7
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My Dept allows J frames and the only disadvantage I see is carrying more than one caliber of ammo. I don't care so much about it only being 5 rounds as that helps save weight only. Have you thought about a CM40/PM40?
Actually a 40 pocket gun bites hard and Kahrs aren't always reliable out of the box so it may or may not appeal to you.
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Old 02-22-2012, 20:05   #8
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In addition to the comments above in support of the J-frame and those that may follow, I believe the title of this book says it 'all.'

The Snubby Revolver The ECQ, Backup, and Concealed Carry Standard
Revised and Updated Edition (2006) by Ed Lovette

In it, the author makes a strong, thought-provoking case for the snubnose revolver, particularly in the backup role, and under the worst possible conditions (for example, "ECQ," or Extreme Close Quarters).

IMO, it is well worth reading.

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Old 02-22-2012, 20:06   #9
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You posted this same question a few months ago.

The j-frame is still probably the most popular BUG for LEO's in the U.S., just like it was the first time you asked.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1384303

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Old 02-22-2012, 20:33   #10
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A few months I asked one of our firearms instructor about this, and his reply was that going back to the .38 would be considered (for our agency) a step backwards. This was in reference to having to provide training, armorer support and ammo for the .38.

I'm sure if large enough numbers of LE agencies began allowing 9mm and .40 revolvers (J-frames/SP101s) as backup guns, companies will build them. I know I'd buy them.
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Old 02-22-2012, 20:42   #11
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A few months I asked one of our firearms instructor about this, and his reply was that going back to the .38 would be considered (for our agency) a step backwards. This was in reference to having to provide training, armorer support and ammo for the .38.

I'm sure if large enough numbers of LE agencies began allowing 9mm and .40 revolvers (J-frames/SP101s) as backup guns, companies will build them. I know I'd buy them.
I'd love a 9mm 642! (I know they made the 940, but why not make one now?)
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I want to be clear on something: are you a law enforcement officer or do you work for a bondsman?
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Old 02-22-2012, 21:09   #13
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I want to be clear on something: are you a law enforcement officer or do you work for a bondsman?
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I have a G19 for a primary, a G26 for a back up. I am a bond enforcement agent as well as working frequently on protection details ......
Or was that Rhetorical?

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Old 02-22-2012, 21:10   #14
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I just realized you are in Florida. Aren't all armed security/Bail Bondsman/private body guards restricted to 9mm or 38spl?
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Old 02-22-2012, 21:10   #15
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No, I'm not going to say it, I'll be nice.
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Old 02-22-2012, 23:28   #16
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I do Bond Recovery in Fla. And yes were required to carry 9mm 38 or 380 but in certain situations I am able to carry my G23. I realize I asked this question earlier but I was told to post on this forum to get responses from LE. If I'm not allowed to post on this forum as it is only LE only, I appologize, I wasn't told that. Thanks for all well, most of your replies anyway.
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Old 02-22-2012, 23:45   #17
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It's certainly authorized here, and it's my everyday backup piece. It rides on the vest strap all the time.
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Old 02-23-2012, 00:10   #18
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I have a 642. Love it. Carry it almost every time I work. I still haven't figured out where to stick my G30.
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We have a couple of guys who carry them. I carry an LCP as a BUG on duty and a lot of the time off duty because it gives me a couple more rounds than my .38 spcl bulldog. Neither make me as comfortable as my G23 with a reload, but that doesn't fit in my cargo pocket nearly as well.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:35   #20
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I know this isn't what you asked but i find the LCR's trigger a lot more pleasureable and it doesn't matter what your "guys in your agency" say. Most of the whacker BEA's I have met would carry dual fullsize 1911's so pick a primary and a backup that make since. If you can can shoot a LCR and you will carry it then thats what matters.
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