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Old 02-23-2012, 22:48   #1
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9 year old charged with shooting classmate

PORT ORCHARD, Washington (Reuters) - A 9-year-old Washington state boy accused of bringing a loaded handgun to third-grade, where it went off in his backpack and critically wounded a classmate, was charged on Thursday with assault and unlawful possession of a firearm.

Meanwhile the 8-year-old victim, Amina Kocer-Bowman, was listed in critical condition in the intensive care unit at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, one day after suffering gunshot wounds to her arm and abdomen.

The boy, a third-grade student at Armin Jahr Elementary School in Bremerton, Washington, was charged with one count each of third-degree assault, unlawful possession of a firearm and possession of a firearm on school grounds.



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What the hell kinda parents does this kid have?!!!!! I understand at 9 your a bit more accountable for what you do, but I feel this whole situation would not have happened with some good parenting!!! Who leaves a loaded gun completely accessible to a 9 year old?
Sure when my grandpa would show me guns he taught me what not to do, and how to use them. Sounds like dad had an open gun without telling junior what can happen when not respected.

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Old 02-23-2012, 23:16   #2
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From what I heard on KOMO radio this evening, the kid's legal guardian is his uncle and the two parents are both "known to police and courts." The father was in court to support his kid, who was tearful and terrified, and blamed the mother.
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:58   #3
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I really thought this would get some people riled up! I guess I was wrong
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I also had no need for NV, so I went with the 512. As far as the submersion, if I'm 10 feet under water and still holding onto my rifle, something has gone terribly awry and I don't think an extra 23 feet is going to matter to me. YMMV
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:13   #4
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There's really not much to get riled up about. Although in this case it was probably bad parenting, it isn't always the case.

How many times have you told a child "no", maybe even explained to them why, yet they disobey you anyways. I know I have. When I was a child, I was strictly forbidden to touch the guns without my dad home. I tinkered with them anyways. Kids aren't dumb, and they'll figure a way to get into stuff and cover their tracks. Did that make my dad a bad parent that he didn't know I got into the guns when he was at work? Not at all.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:29   #5
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As with all kids, some are perfect, others completely damaged, and the rest somewhere in between.

YOU need to make the call about having weapons with children. I know kids down the street, I wouldn't let them near a gun, let alone have one that wasn't 100% locked down.

But that's me. Then you have your parents. They run the range too.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:46   #6
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"School staff and police found a loaded .45 caliber Heckler and Koch pistol in the boy's backpack, which was ripped open at the bottom where the muzzle of the gun had been pointed... Several students... heard the gun go off when the boy slammed his backpack on a desk"

I don't have any HK. How did it go off?

One guess is he had it cocked and some stuff loose in the bag forced the trigger?

Some crappy gun designs will allow a hammer to bang into a firing pin, or directly to the round, if hit just right.
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:13   #7
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"School staff and police found a loaded .45 caliber Heckler and Koch pistol in the boy's backpack, which was ripped open at the bottom where the muzzle of the gun had been pointed... Several students... heard the gun go off when the boy slammed his backpack on a desk"

I don't have any HK. How did it go off?

One guess is he had it cocked and some stuff loose in the bag forced the trigger?

Some crappy gun designs will allow a hammer to bang into a firing pin, or directly to the round, if hit just right.
The kid probably chambered a round, but didn't decock or put it on safe. So, the gun is loaded cocked and locked in his backpack.
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:29   #8
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The thing is, young kids have not developed the ethics and morals required to say to themselves 'hey I should not do this because it is wrong'. So if the kid has accessibility to a gun he or she might just grab it and not realize what could happen. Im not entirely sure why parents leave guns around the house that kids could grab. Be responsible and buy a gun safe or gun locker and put your guns in there so the kids have less chance of getting them. For example when my niece's come to visit, I put all accessible firearms in the gun safe and then just take em back out when they leave, no big deal on my part. Sorry if I have rambled on.
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Yeah, I'm more wondering how it went off, then how he got a hold of it.

To stop kids from getting to them if they really want, they have to be locked with a key, that only you have, on you, all the time. Not in your wife's purse, ect. I would not trust combination locks to work if the kids have much time at home by themselves, say an hour a day after school before mom or dad get home.
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All kinds of things can happen to a gun thrown in a bag without holster. I know if I simply throw HKS speedloaders into a range bag most of the time by the end of the day some of them will get unlocked and spill the rounds all over the place.

It's a tragic story but charging the kid with assault is beyond me. Most adults will not appreciate the possible consequence of placing a gun in a bag, you're talking 9 y.o. As to whether parents/guardian are at fault, who knows? Not enough info.
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Say if it was already loaded when he grabbed it, and it was a DA/SA HK, could a pen or whatever in the book bag get into the trigger guard and cause the gun to go off DA??? I think HK is around a 10-11 lb trigger pull in DA. Are the LEM triggers a little lighter on the pull? Alot of ?'s, but again charging a true minor with that seems way out of line! That kid will probably never be able to own a gun in his life.
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:29   #12
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PORT ORCHARD, Washington (Reuters) - A 9-year-old Washington state boy accused of bringing a loaded handgun to third-grade, where it went off in his backpack and critically wounded a classmate, was charged on Thursday with assault and unlawful possession of a firearm.

Meanwhile the 8-year-old victim, Amina Kocer-Bowman, was listed in critical condition in the intensive care unit at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle, one day after suffering gunshot wounds to her arm and abdomen.

The boy, a third-grade student at Armin Jahr Elementary School in Bremerton, Washington, was charged with one count each of third-degree assault, unlawful possession of a firearm and possession of a firearm on school grounds.



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What the hell kinda parents does this kid have?!!!!! I understand at 9 your a bit more accountable for what you do, but I feel this whole situation would not have happened with some good parenting!!! Who leaves a loaded gun completely accessible to a 9 year old?
Sure when my grandpa would show me guns he taught me what not to do, and how to use them. Sounds like dad had an open gun without telling junior what can happen when not respected.

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"What the hell kinda parents does this kid have?!!!!!"

This kid has the same kinda parents found right here on Glocktalk.

Ya know....the ones who say, "I don't have to lock my guns up.....my kids are smarter than yours.....my kids know better......I told my kids never to touch my guns & they always obey me 'cuz they're good kids. Besides, they know they'll get an ass whoopin' if they disobey me."

That was the "dumb." Here's the "dumber:"

"I hid my gun so well, my kids will never find it."
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Old 02-24-2012, 12:41   #13
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"What the hell kinda parents does this kid have?!!!!!"

This kid has the same kinda parents found right here on Glocktalk.

Ya know....the ones who say, "I don't have to lock my guns up.....my kids are smarter than yours.....my kids know better......I told my kids never to touch my guns & they always obey me 'cuz they're good kids. Besides, they know they'll get an ass whoopin' if they disobey me."

That was the "dumb." Here's the "dumber:"

"I hid my gun so well, my kids will never find it."
Even at 6, I think my kid is smart enough not to leave a gun loose in the backpack.

But I will remind him anyway to make sure he only carries a loaded handgun in a holster. If the backpack had a built-in holster, like mom's fannypack or purse, then that'd be considered proper carry, though.

Jeepers. Who's teaching these kids the safety lessons nowawdays.
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"What the hell kinda parents does this kid have?!!!!!"

This kid has the same kinda parents found right here on Glocktalk.

Ya know....the ones who say, "I don't have to lock my guns up.....my kids are smarter than yours.....my kids know better......I told my kids never to touch my guns & they always obey me 'cuz they're good kids. Besides, they know they'll get an ass whoopin' if they disobey me."

That was the "dumb." Here's the "dumber:"

"I hid my gun so well, my kids will never find it."
I agree 100%! How in the hell did this kid wind up with the weapon away from his parents in the first place? This is so irresponsible and just more fuel for the Anti crowd! The legal guardians are without a doubt the ones who should bare the burden of the blame here. The weapon should be locked up or in his posession with aldult supervision only PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! There is simply no excuse for this and even if the parents don't have a safe, the damn gun comes with a cable lock.
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The owner of the handgun should be held accountable.
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Old 02-24-2012, 17:20   #16
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Yea unfortunately stuff like this does give the anti's more fuel. sigh.

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Either parent likely can't legally own a gun based on the records they have.
THe gun was from the lowlife Mom's boyfriend.....betting he's not legal either.

I feel sorry for the kid; The Mom doesn't want him and the Dad is sketchy with DV's on his rap sheet. The Uncle sounds like a good man, and the radio folks are helping get the kid good legal representation (Anne Bremner).
My thoughts are still with the little girl, she is the real victim.
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