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Old 04-03-2012, 17:27   #26
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Let me start by saying I love my G 36, it was my EDC for about 3 years. I bought it used, so it had maybe 1000 rds through it. I put another 5k rds through it, not the best ammo, Wolf, Blazer as well as quality range and CCW ammo.

One day, my beloved G 36 pooped the bed, hard. Since the it has been a nightmare of FTF FTE. I believe it has to do with the RSA. I installed an aftermarket RSA, still no joy. I am not going to rebuild it with stock parts. This situation drives me crazy as I love this little gun.

Not to seem vaine, but I am a retired Special Forces Officer, Gunsite graduate and train others to shoot for a living. Just to dispel the limp wrist / shooter error comments. This gun worked flawlessly for several years.

Hopefully the rebuild will solve the issues.

My question to all of you is "How many rds do you have through your respective pistols? "Has anyone else had these issues..." FlyandScuba, I too went to a GAP (38 and 39) but mostly I now carry my Kimber Ultra Super carry, which after a little tuning, has been relentlessly dependable.

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I agree that the limp wrist thing is overdone. A good buddy of mine, who is a terrific shooter, has had a lot of problems with his G32 using factory ammo ... and I guarantee you it isn't from limp wristing.
Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you use a stock RSA to replace your original? The original apparently lasted about 6,000 rounds. I have a spare Glock recoil spring assembly I bought new at a gun show for $24.00. If I have to spend that money every 6,000 rounds, I can't complain.
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Old 04-03-2012, 18:27   #27
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Well I just gave it some respect! I purchased one on Saturday. Tomorrow I will see how much I love it!
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Old 04-04-2012, 05:31   #28
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Limp Wrist is an issue with many light guns. Those of us that are aware of the issue adjust without even thinking about it. I shoot mine fine. 500+ with no issues. My cousin couldn't get through a magazine without FTE's almost every other shot. Then there is what you have, just a plain bad gun. Mine is from the dreaded 2009 production year. I bought it used and didn't know anything about the troubles. Just happy I got my 1st Glock. I love my G36 it is my EDC Really glad mine turned out to be good or else the guy in front of me had it fixed. Either way, I like it.

Bill you make some valid points. I carried mine for 3 years without issue. I now carry a Kimber Ultra Super carry (Another subcompact 45 acp) that runs like a scalded ape humping a singer sewing machine.

I am in the process of transitioning to a G 30 SF or one of the 45 GAP pistols. I would love to get my old G 36 back.
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I agree that the limp wrist thing is overdone. A good buddy of mine, who is a terrific shooter, has had a lot of problems with his G32 using factory ammo ... and I guarantee you it isn't from limp wristing.
Just out of curiosity, why wouldn't you use a stock RSA to replace your original? The original apparently lasted about 6,000 rounds. I have a spare Glock recoil spring assembly I bought new at a gun show for $24.00. If I have to spend that money every 6,000 rounds, I can't complain.
Um because I am a bonehead and meant to say WILL replace with stock parts. Advice from my Glock Armorer, especially since the after market RSA did not solve the problem. You are correct, $25 per 6k rds is a sound investment.
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I hear you on the limp-wrist thing. Boy, that gets old.

This is the first time I've heard of a G36 'going bad'. It may not be the same issue that I or others had.

There were 10+ GT members with defective G36's (FTF issues) back in 2009 when I sued Glock over my G36. You can find their names and comments at the site.

The rumors are true despite the best efforts of some loyalists.

I had high hopes to carrying a G36 - it made perfect sense weight-wise, capacity-wise, caliber-wise, size-wise for CCW.

I landed a dud. Most don't. Glock treated me like s**t for 8 months and has never acknowledged the G36 defect possibilities. I sued and won.

My advice has been consistent in these 2+ years: put 100 rounds through a used or new G36 before you pay.

Why would a seller say "no"?
Chipotle,

Thanks for the note.

I remember reading about your plight several years ago. I have the exact same malfunctions.....
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:11   #31
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Chipotle,

Thanks for the note.

I remember reading about your plight several years ago. I have the exact same malfunctions.....
FastEddie565:

Pic #1 looks familiar, but not sure about pic #2. Pic #1 is the same issue that I and others had, and it proves that 'limp-wristing' is clearly not the source. See my pictures.

Limp-wristing suggests weakness in the grip, wrist or arm tension, and that weakness is absorbing more recoil than the gun was designed for. Hence, the slide fails to fully come back to grab the next round.

The mf that was the subject of my beef with Glock, and appears to be the issue in your first picture, was that the slide DID come back all the way and grab the next round. The problem was it failed to pull the spent case all the way out and eject it from the pistol.

Slide function or grip strength wasn't the cause - failure to extract/eject the spent casing was the problem. A limp-wrist mf can be cleared with a tap-rack - this G36 mf cannot.

Glock replaced my extractor twice over those 8 months. That did not solve the problem.

I've spent a lot of $$$ trying to find a good single-stack .45. I'm on my fifth 1911 (SA Loaded Champion). It is sweet, and *almost* as good as I had expected the G36 to be. In hindsight, I should have played the odds and just bought another G36.
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I did exactly that. But I sold it after I thought I had he issue solved with the new RSA. Doh
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Old 04-05-2012, 12:00   #33
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G 36 works for me

I'm new here,and new to the G 36, had it for two months and fired about 500 rounds. love it,shoots where I point it.
have a 1911 and S&W mod. 66, shoot both at indoor range to stay proficient ...
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Old 04-05-2012, 14:12   #34
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I got a crazy deal on a 36, couldn't walk away from it. Since then I have contemplated trading it away, but the longer I have it the more I realize it truly is the best concealed carry gun I could buy. The only thing that could give it a run for it's money is a subcompact 1911. However, because those things cost twice as much as this glock, the glock wins.

The only improvement I could make is for them to offer a 5 round magazine that fits flush. Honestly, a 6 shooter is enough for me and I can carry a reload or two so...what's important is how well the thing carries and massive capacity tends to bring down carryability...I wish that guy that made a 5 round magazine was still around, I'd like to buy a magazine and make one...

Anyone know how to do it, please PM me...I don't understand whether he used the bottom or top of the baseplate after grinding it down...
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Old 04-05-2012, 15:16   #35
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There was a story posted on GT, a long time ago, of a member (IIRC) who had to defend himself and his loved one. Long story, most of it not relevant to this post, but he faced multiple attackers, and it took 9 rounds to end the confrontation I believe, and other attackers fled in the force of overwhelming response rather than press the attack which would have required even more rounds.

Average may be 2. Do you want to be the one caught without if you wind up in an "above average" situation? Carry as much as you can. Sorta goes with shoot the biggest caliber that's comfortable. Sure a man with .22 holes is less likely to want to hurt you than a man with no holes - but a man with 9mm holes, .40 holes, .45 holes, etc might be even more disinclined to do you harm.

That is why with one in the chamber and six in the mag and a extra mag in my rear jeans ocket I now got 13 rds of 230gr 45's. If that does not work I am screwed any way.

6/7 is generally going to be enough in most all cases, but if one feels the need for a different senerio may happen to me case, then simply pop another mag in your pocket...





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Old 04-05-2012, 15:30   #36
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Here is a G36 in action. Two shots to the stomach was more than enough.

Shooting was last year up in Dayton.

Link to video.

Link to story at Ohio Concealed Carry Org.

The Ohio Concealed Carry site has a forum where there is a LONG thread on this shooting, which includes the shooter and a bunch of Facebook screenshots of the assailants talking smack among their friends. If you have a few hours to kill...
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Um because I am a bonehead and meant to say WILL replace with stock parts. Advice from my Glock Armorer, especially since the after market RSA did not solve the problem. You are correct, $25 per 6k rds is a sound investment.
Ahhhh, that makes sense.

Overall, particularly with Glocks, I'm a believer in stock parts replacements.
Glad you like your Kimber Ultra Super Carry. Another terrific compact .45!
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Here is a G36 in action. Two shots to the stomach was more than enough.

Shooting was last year up in Dayton.

Link to video.

Link to story at Ohio Concealed Carry Org.

The Ohio Concealed Carry site has a forum where there is a LONG thread on this shooting, which includes the shooter and a bunch of Facebook screenshots of the assailants talking smack among their friends. If you have a few hours to kill...
Great links.
I never saw that the G36 was specifically mentioned but I know you're a man of your word and take your word on it.

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Maybe my friends here can help me? I carry a G30SF every day in one of two IBW holsters it is very comfortable I almost forget its there. It shoots great and I've had no issues. But I have a desire for a more compact 45 acp the G36 is the same size frame with less capacity which I'm willing to loose but I can't see buying the same gun with less capacity. Has anyone shot or do they own a Kahr CW45 or a PM45? That's what I'm leaning to. I looked at a PM45 today the spring was so strong I had a hard time getting it locked open but it felt great in my hand. Has any one had any experience with Kahr arms? I'm looking for some trusted advice here so any ideas about compact 45s is greatly appreciated.
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I don't pay much attention to what the so called experts say! I have always carried the gun that I think is best suited for my needs at the time. My choice for a 9mm Duty weapon was the G19 and my EDC is now the G36. I should have gone to the G36 many years ago and it would have saved me much money on other guns and holsters. I also love my G30SF which I have as a car gun and I still have my original EDC, the G26. These 4 Glocks are all that I need and all that I will ever want and as for the so called experts .......... who cares what they think!
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The Glock 36 is a nice weapon its like many guns some like it some dont, to each his own, many people hate on the GAP models, C models, OD models, Gen 4 models, sometimes it doesnt matter what other f--king people think. If you like it more power to you. Ive always liked it.








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Maybe my friends here can help me? I carry a G30SF every day in one of two IBW holsters it is very comfortable I almost forget its there. It shoots great and I've had no issues. But I have a desire for a more compact 45 acp the G36 is the same size frame with less capacity which I'm willing to loose but I can't see buying the same gun with less capacity. Has anyone shot or do they own a Kahr CW45 or a PM45? That's what I'm leaning to. I looked at a PM45 today the spring was so strong I had a hard time getting it locked open but it felt great in my hand. Has any one had any experience with Kahr arms? I'm looking for some trusted advice here so any ideas about compact 45s is greatly appreciated.
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I got a crazy deal on a 36, couldn't walk away from it. Since then I have contemplated trading it away, but the longer I have it the more I realize it truly is the best concealed carry gun I could buy. The only thing that could give it a run for it's money is a subcompact 1911. However, because those things cost twice as much as this glock, the glock wins.

The only improvement I could make is for them to offer a 5 round magazine that fits flush. Honestly, a 6 shooter is enough for me and I can carry a reload or two so...what's important is how well the thing carries and massive capacity tends to bring down carryability...I wish that guy that made a 5 round magazine was still around, I'd like to buy a magazine and make one...

Anyone know how to do it, please PM me...I don't understand whether he used the bottom or top of the baseplate after grinding it down...
Ok I looked at the mag and I figured out how to do it...next time I see a cheap 36 magazine I'm going to go ahead and cut it down. Wish that guy was still around to see how well it worked in the long run. Oh well...
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Ahhhh, that makes sense.

Overall, particularly with Glocks, I'm a believer in stock parts replacements.
Glad you like your Kimber Ultra Super Carry. Another terrific compact .45!

An update....

New RSA, new extractor group (Rod spring, plunger and extractor) and a new slide lock (The old one was bent)

I installed the slide lock wrong initially, but had no issues with highend Remington ammo. Reinstalled the slide lock and will hit the range again today for a final report.

Do you guys shoot reloads and lesser quality ammo? Any issues?

Range report.

After 150 rds of Aguilla (sp) 230 grn RN FMJ I had ZERO issues. I had one brand new factory mag, a used factory mag and a Pierce +1 magazine. It shot well. I am about 300-400 rds from passing final judgement. My next test is to shoot some blazer or wolf through it.

Hopefully we can put her back in the line up.
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An update....

New RSA, new extractor group (Rod spring, plunger and extractor) and a new slide lock (The old one was bent)

I installed the slide lock wrong initially, but had no issues with highend Remington ammo. Reinstalled the slide lock and will hit the range again today for a final report.

Do you guys shoot reloads and lesser quality ammo? Any issues?

Range report.

After 150 rds of Aguilla (sp) 230 grn RN FMJ I had ZERO issues. I had one brand new factory mag, a used factory mag and a Pierce +1 magazine. It shot well. I am about 300-400 rds from passing final judgement. My next test is to shoot some blazer or wolf through it.

Hopefully we can put her back in the line up.

OK, 150 rds of Blazer Al case ammo with zero issues. I believe I may have fixed the issue. I will put about 200 more rounds through her and place my beloved G 36 back in the line up.
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OK, 150 rds of Blazer Al case ammo with zero issues. I believe I may have fixed the issue. I will put about 200 more rounds through her and place my beloved G 36 back in the line up.
Nice! Let us know how it's going!
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Nice! Let us know how it's going!

I just started reloading again after 20 years. I loaded about 100 230 grn RN FMJ with a moderate powder charge. If she shoots these OK, I think I am back in business.

ETA I fired 50 rds of 230 grn rn fmj reloads yesterday, all without a hitch. I am almost there. Now for a few boxes of Speer GDHP (Carry ammo) and I am good to go.
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I just started reloading again after 20 years. I loaded about 100 230 grn RN FMJ with a moderate powder charge. If she shoots these OK, I think I am back in business.

ETA I fired 50 rds of 230 grn rn fmj reloads yesterday, all without a hitch. I am almost there. Now for a few boxes of Speer GDHP (Carry ammo) and I am good to go.
I'm reloading again too, after a lapse of about 12 years. One thing: the G36 doesn't like wimp loads.
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An update....

New RSA, new extractor group (Rod spring, plunger and extractor) and a new slide lock (The old one was bent)

I installed the slide lock wrong initially, but had no issues with highend Remington ammo. Reinstalled the slide lock and will hit the range again today for a final report.

Do you guys shoot reloads and lesser quality ammo? Any issues?

Range report.

After 150 rds of Aguilla (sp) 230 grn RN FMJ I had ZERO issues. I had one brand new factory mag, a used factory mag and a Pierce +1 magazine. It shot well. I am about 300-400 rds from passing final judgement. My next test is to shoot some blazer or wolf through it.

Hopefully we can put her back in the line up.


OK amigo.... Do NOT be offended in any way here..
I have a ton of Glocks and a ton of everything. I EDC "when I go to town," a M1911 45acp I am an old dude and set in my ways and just think 45acp is the way to go.

I have among all these toys a G36. I got around 1500+ rds through it of all kinds of factory loads, and a ton of my Hand loads that are hot .. Strong +P's.

I have NEVER had one issue fron this gun of ANY kind at all...

I am sorry your having issues, BUT. As much of a pain in the butt as it may be. I assure you, that if new mag springs don't fix it, and even if you drop in a all new trigger bar extractor/ejector extractor rod and spring with bearing. Even if you drop 45.00 on all this and put all new guts in... i cannot believe it will not shoot 100% unless it is shooters error... Now don't get PO'd at me. My brother had the same problem with his 3"+ 45's, sent back and forth to the factory, and NO resolve. I kept telling him it is his grip.. he got semi angry.. haha

He kept this up until he finally listened to me. Once I showed him the right way to shoot these little 45's he now dropped the ego, and keeps all his rounds in the 10 ring.

Moral here: I do not believe your gun is shot to heck. I would lay out oh 60.00/75.00 and replace all the parts, now you "know" there is NOT a parts problem, (the little gun is really worth it man) then get some good quality 230gr FMJ's and go to town with it. If it continues to jam..... It is you !

These G36's shoot great and all this problematic crap is 98% internet crap, the rest is shooter error, i do not care if a man has been shooting 44 mags all his life, (as I have) he can still have shooter error with the smaller 45's I see it all the time teaching folks to shoot combat.

Just a suggestion amigo, but I would buy new mag springs, and ALL new inards for the reciever and a new extractor, plunger rod and spring and bearing and if that does not run 100% with everything fed to it... Polish the feed ramp to a mirror.. if it still jams.... It is you.

I assure you what I am telling you will at least put your mind at rest and not cost you much more than 75.00. It is worth it pard..


I have two things done to my 36 and all my glocks frankly despite the "experts on GT", I always mirror polish the feed ramp and chamber, and put a 3.5 # connector in. The connector is just cause I want to.. But the polish jobs have, I believe, helped. I can say this to you that in every caliber Glock I own, and that is a plenty, I hand load for them all, and have never had one issue with any of them in 14 years.

Hopes this helps some amigo..


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I love my 36

I just got gack from the range and my 36 performed as usual ....FLAWLESS. Mine was used and had a problem initially but since getting the slide stop replaced I'm approx 800 rds in and not one problem. It's usually my IWB carry. I love mine because...it's a 45, it's light to carry, I can sweat all over it and it doesn't rust, and it's a Glock. Fits in well with my 19 and 23.
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