Long Range AK-47

3000fps · 03-08-2012, 12:13

Is it possible to take a standard AK-47 variant with good ammo and iron sights, and hit a target at 500 meters?

YouTube (Short URL)

bac1023 · 03-08-2012, 12:23

Very cool

SigFTW · 03-08-2012, 13:13

All lies!!! j/k

You should see me with my 1911 shooting at a 100 yards

arclight610 · 03-08-2012, 14:11

I don't know about his comment about the whole 1000 yd thing. I remember that we would never try to take shots beyond 550-600 yds with our M4s/M16s. That's why we had our Designated Marksmen. If not them, the SAWs or 240's would suppress the general area while we could get closer. If I start taking fire out in the open, I'm immediately gonna hit the prone. A prone target at 1000 yds is pretty small.

**pennlineman** · 03-08-2012, 14:24

I not convinced that every AK can do that. I've had a couple that didn't group well at 100 yds let alone 500. I do have a 1960 Polish model that is a pretty good shooter.

This was two separate groups at 100 yards. The first one was on the right. I pushed the front sight to the right and got the group on the left. The target is about 8 inches in diameter. I can't remember the ammo, it was something cheap, probably brown bear. It sure changed some of my opinion on the platform.

Novocaine · 03-08-2012, 16:38

AK sight is graduated to 1000m for reason. Your target is not always individual soldier; your objective is not always to hit the target.

Some hand selected AKS-74 were used as sniper rifles by Pskov airborne guys. These guns would group as well as their SVDS. They were called AKS-74M2. The only mod was the addition of the side mount.

Decguns · 03-08-2012, 21:31

I have no problem popping gongs at 300 yards with my 47's and 74's. At 500 yds, the side wind in the video will blow those projo's all over the place... especially the 5.45. Just that slight breeze will throw those little 5.45 pills waaaaaaay off target at 500.

AR-15's shoot groups... usually with rounds touching and clustered together. AKs shoot patterns. A 4-6 inch "group" from an AK is not impressive. Sorry.

WoodenPlank · 03-08-2012, 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decguns

I have no problem popping gongs at 300 yards with my 47's and 74's. At 500 yds, the side wind in the video will blow those projo's all over the place... especially the 5.45. Just that slight breeze will throw those little 5.45 pills waaaaaaay off target at 500.

AR-15's shoot groups... usually with rounds touching and clustered together. AKs shoot patterns. A 4-6 inch "group" from an AK is not impressive. Sorry.

This sums up my opinion nicely.

toshbar · 03-08-2012, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decguns

AR-15's shoot groups... usually with rounds touching and clustered together. AKs shoot patterns. A 4-6 inch "group" from an AK is not impressive. Sorry.

I'd say a 4" group at 500 yards from an AK is impressive.

I've done it with my 5.45 Saiga.

panzer1 · 03-09-2012, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decguns

I have no problem popping gongs at 300 yards with my 47's and 74's. At 500 yds, the side wind in the video will blow those projo's all over the place... especially the 5.45. Just that slight breeze will throw those little 5.45 pills waaaaaaay off target at 500.

AR-15's shoot groups... usually with rounds touching and clustered together. AKs shoot patterns. A 4-6 inch "group" from an AK is not impressive. Sorry.

Try the yugo M76 in 8mm.

Spiffums · 03-09-2012, 09:05

74s with ACOG will ring steel at 500 with ease. I don't know where you people get off trying to make a AK or AR a sniper rifle. An AR15 is a 4 MOA gun anyways as a combat weapon.

Novocaine · 03-09-2012, 13:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiffums

An AR15 is a 4 MOA gun anyways as a combat weapon.

AR doesn't cloverleaf with milspec ammo??

What's next? AK can jam? Where does it stop?!

G36's Rule · 03-09-2012, 13:46

Video no workie...

ak103k · 03-09-2012, 14:26

Quote:

AR-15's shoot groups... usually with rounds touching and clustered together. AKs shoot patterns.

AK's always seem to get a bad rap when it comes to accuracy. Reality is, its almost always the shooter that comes up short.

I shot this at 200 yard with my SAR1 using its slightly canted iron sights and Wolf 154 grain SP's. The lower group was shot from a solid rest to confirm zero, the upper group from a cross legged sitting position at a steady cadence.

I shot these at 100 yards using my Saiga AK103K conversion with an Aimpoint ML2 red dot and Barnaul 125 grain SP's. Again, from cross legged sitting. Just for size reference, the "head" on that target is 6".

I also have a few AR's, some basic, some a little more precise. My Armalite M15A4(T) with a 1.5x5 Leupold on it, will literally shoot into the same hole with my reloads at 100 yards when shot prone off a bipod.

My basic guns shooting USGI 5.56, around 3-4" at the same distance, and very similar to what my AK's do. When you compare hits on target from both guns with red dot on them, other than the size of the holes in the target, you wouldn't be able to tell which one shot which.

One thing that needs to be addressed here too is the ammo. My Armalite will shoot tiny little groups with my reloads, but put that same USGI in the next mag, and it will rarely shoot under 2". Your gun, no matter how fancy, is only as accurate as your ammo. USGI is spec'd at 2-3MOA.

Same goes for the AK's. The right lot of ammo can make a major difference, and especially at longer distances.

Theres no doubt though, the AR's make the better "target" rifle when shooting at bullseye targets at known distances with known sight dope. The AK's arent trying to be a target rifle, like some of the AR's that often seem to get compared to them.

A lot of the problem with the AR/AK accuracy comparisons is, many people doing the comparisons arent using apples to apples when they compare. If youre a little more realistic in your comparisons, they really arent all that far apart.

Aceman · 03-09-2012, 15:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Decguns

I have no problem popping gongs at 300 yards with my 47's and 74's. At 500 yds, the side wind in the video will blow those projo's all over the place... especially the 5.45. Just that slight breeze will throw those little 5.45 pills waaaaaaay off target at 500.

AR-15's shoot groups... usually with rounds touching and clustered together. AKs shoot patterns. A 4-6 inch "group" from an AK is not impressive. Sorry.

An 5.56 is no better in the breeze either. Yet somehow, the AR is fierce deadly weapon out to 800 yards by many accounts.

Aceman · 03-09-2012, 15:56

TRUTH Ak103!!!!!

Dumb@$$ cheapskate with a WASR tossing Wolf vs competive target shooter, Noveske/Sabre and match ammo. Of course there's big difference.

And word on that 154 SP! I have shot nearly 0 MOA with my Arsenal Bulgarian and some Fiocci off a bag.

ak103k · 03-09-2012, 17:21

I usually have mixed results with Wolf, but that lot of 154 SP's I got does shoot.

Spiffums · 03-09-2012, 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by ak103k

AK's always seem to get a bad rap when it comes to accuracy. Reality is, its almost always the shooter that comes up short.

Accuracte rifle shooters don't bump fire

ak103k · 03-09-2012, 18:59

Quote:

Accuracte rifle shooters don't bump fire

Thats right.

reeser · 03-12-2012, 15:06

Saiga 308 and surplus ammo, I can hit the 440yd gong at my local range with ease from the bench and only using open sights