[OctoberRust]

Originally Posted by bear62

I'm a white male senior citizen and a conservative dresser. When I'm visiting in Florida I'm normally dressed in shorts, polo shirt and boat shoes.

Here's a question for all you gunnies ..... If I were walking through Zimmerman's neighborhood, what are the chances that Zimmerman would follow and report me to 911??

Just wondering ..........

Leave your race out of it, and it wouldn't matter regardless. If you dressed like that and were walking around, not looking into random houses.

Now let's Revisit what Tyrone was dressed in. It SOUNDS like he was wearing xxl baggy pants and was constantly holding his "waist" to keep those up. Yea if you dressed like that and were going up to random houses, I bet he'd be reporting you too, even if you were as white as snow.

[Tiro Fijo]

Just saw that Zimmerman's brother is being interviewed on CNN tonight by that moron Piers Morgan.

[bear62]

Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo

Just saw that Zimmerman's brother is being interviewed on CNN tonight by that moron Piers Morgan.

I normally don't watch CNN, but may have to tune in tonight..

[Roger1079]

Originally Posted by OctoberRust

Leave your race out of it, and it wouldn't matter regardless. If you dressed like that and were walking around, not looking into random houses.

Now let's Revisit what Tyrone was dressed in. It SOUNDS like he was wearing xxl baggy pants and was constantly holding his "waist" to keep those up. Yea if you dressed like that and were going up to random houses, I bet he'd be reporting you too, even if you were as white as snow.

Actually being that he mentioned he is a senior citizen, Zimmerman probably would have thought if he was looking in random house windows that he might have Alzheimers and may be lost and in need of help.

[B.Reid]

Originally Posted by bear62

I'm a white male senior citizen and a conservative dresser. When I'm visiting in Florida I'm normally dressed in shorts, polo shirt and boat shoes.

Here's a question for all you gunnies ..... If I were walking through Zimmerman's neighborhood, what are the chances that Zimmerman would follow and report me to 911??

Just wondering ..........

I'm guessing the neighborhood watch people know who lives in their gated community. Now if you dressed like a thug you will be treated like a thug. Regardless of age or race.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by bear62

I'm a white male senior citizen and a conservative dresser. When I'm visiting in Florida I'm normally dressed in shorts, polo shirt and boat shoes.

Here's a question for all you gunnies ..... If I were walking through Zimmerman's neighborhood, what are the chances that Zimmerman would follow and report me to 911??

Just wondering ..........

Are you suggesting that race, age and dress are not indicators of the likelihood you are going to commit a crime? All the crime statistics available in America say that race and age are very strong predictors and how you're dressed, in my experience, is a good indicator of whether you are an exception to those rules.

IF you are watching strangers, those are the best indications you are going to get, unless you wait for a crime to happen. Add "gated community at night" and a "suspicious person" call from neighborhood watch is probably valid.

I think it would be as idiotic for neighborhood watch to ignore those factors as it is for TSA to play colorblind and strip search somebody's grandma, while ignoring a dozen muslim passengers.

[B.Reid]

When I was in my teens I knew guys like this, they walk around neighborhoods looking for open garages and unlocked cars. If your home is burglarized there is a good chance that it was the teenager down the street. He knows when you go to work and come home. This gives him at least 8 hours to go through your home.

[Warp]

Originally Posted by Bren

Are you suggesting that race, age and dress are not indicators of the likelihood you are going to commit a crime? All the crime statistics available in America say that race and age are very strong predictors and how you're dressed, in my experience, is a good indicator of whether you are an exception to those rules.

But that isn't politically correct.

Age is the biggest, IMO.

Manner of dress and general behavior/vibe/the way you carry yourself are next.

In the case of Trayvon I guestimate that, as a criminal, he was probably acting like and looking like a criminal.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by Warp

But that isn't politically correct.

Age is the biggest, IMO.

Manner of dress and general behavior/vibe/the way you carry yourself are next.

No need to rely on opinion -go check out the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Except for a few years when they declined to include race, they track race/age/sex/etc/ correlated to specific types of crime. Different races (all races included) excel in different areas - some to an extent you'd find hard to believe.

[RussP]

Originally Posted by Warp

But that isn't politically correct.

Age is the biggest, IMO.

Manner of dress and general behavior/vibe/the way you carry yourself are next.

In the case of Trayvon I guestimate that, as a criminal, he was probably acting like and looking like a criminal.

Where did you read he's ever been convicted of a crime?

[Tiro Fijo]

Originally Posted by Bren

No need to rely on opinion -go check out the FBI Uniform Crime Reports. Except for a few years when they declined to include race, they track race/age/sex/etc/ correlated to specific types of crime. Different races (all races included) excel in different areas - some to an extent you'd find hard to believe.

In 1986 the FBI stopped classifying Hispanic as a category and threw them into the White category. Believe it or not.

[Warp]

Originally Posted by RussP

Where did you read he's ever been convicted of a crime?

Bits and pieces of information about jewelry/burglary

School suspension for drugs or drug paraphernalia

His own social media posts/conversations about selling 'plants'

etc

Sure seem to paint a picture that Trayvon Martin was involved in criminal activities.

[Tiro Fijo]

Originally Posted by Warp

Bits and pieces of information about jewelry/burglary

School suspension for drugs or drug paraphernalia

His own social media posts/conversations about selling 'plants'

etc

Sure seem to paint a picture that Trayvon Martin was involved in criminal activities.

Imagine that.

[jdavionic]

Originally Posted by OctoberRust

Just from personal experience, my girlfriend's nose was broken from a car wreck @ 70 mph. When I cleaned her up, the blood from her nose stopped pretty quick. I couldn't really tell it was broken, and when she was insisting it was, I thought she just had a low pain tolerance. It wasn't until we were in the ER and she was getting x rayed when the doctor said her nose was broken.

I've broken my nose in fights (kickboxing). On one occasion, I got a broken nose in a fight, got it cleaned up between rounds, and then after the fight was over...and then went out with friends. Looking at me, you could not tell it was broken...until the next morning. I looked like a raccoon. Just curious what Zimmerman looked like a few days after the incident.

[Misty02]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

I've broken my nose in fights (kickboxing). On one occasion, I got a broken nose in a fight, got it cleaned up between rounds, and then after the fight was over...and then went out with friends. Looking at me, you could not tell it was broken...until the next morning. I looked like a raccoon. Just curious what Zimmerman looked like a few days after the incident.

If they were smart they documented the next couple of weeks with date stamped pictures. Bruises may take days to show up.

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[Misty02]

Originally Posted by RussP

Where did you read he's ever been convicted of a crime?

I believe a person can be a criminal and be lucky enough to have not been caught before. It doesn’t change the fact they are a criminal, it just means they’re not a convicted one.

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[Roger1079]

I just dislike how certain people believe it always has to be racially motivated when it comes to situations like these. If this was an african american shooting another african american or an african american shooting a caucasian or hispanic person, this would have gotten 5 minutes of attention from the mainstream media and race never would have come into play.

Why can't this just be looked at for what it was? A very unfortunate incident where an altercation between two people turned deadly for one of the involved parties.

[Warp]

Originally Posted by Roger1079

Why can't this just be looked at for what it was? A very unfortunate incident where an altercation between two people turned deadly for one of the involved parties.

Because too many politicians and media outlets have agendas to push and too many sheeple are all too happy to buy into it.

[Misty02]

Originally Posted by Roger1079

I just dislike how certain people believe it always has to be racially motivated when it comes to situations like these. If this was an african american shooting another african american or an african american shooting a caucasian or hispanic person, this would have gotten 5 minutes of attention from the mainstream media and race never would have come into play.

Why can't this just be looked at for what it was? A very unfortunate incident where an altercation between two people turned deadly for one of the involved parties.

Would you be able to let it go easily if your child was killed on his way back home from the store and there was no evidence that he was killed in the commission of a crime? I can understand the parents wanting justice, even if they don’t quite understand what that means.

Other people assisted in making this a racial issue, they are all as much to blame. The parents found an opportunity to get the so called justice by jumping on that wagon too. As much as I try I can’t be certain of how far I might go if I were in their place. I know there are certain things I would put a stop to, like the NBP bounty and posters; other than that…. well, I’m really not so sure.


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[Warp]

Originally Posted by RussP

Where did you read he's ever been convicted of a crime?

Russ, I almost forgot.

This:

When he didn’t return back to the townhouse, it would be another 12 hours before Tracy Martin found out his son was dead.

“I started making calls to see if he was arrested,” he said

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...#storylink=cpy



Especially leads me to believe Trayvon was a criminal. How many parents' initial reaction to their son not being home on time is making calls to see if he had been arrested? That certainly wouldn't have been the first calls my parents made.

[Roger1079]

Originally Posted by Misty02

Would you be able to let it go easily if your child was killed on his way back home from the store and there was no evidence that he was killed in the commission of a crime? I can understand the parents wanting justice, even if they don’t quite understand what that means.

Other people assisted in making this a racial issue, they are all as much to blame. The parents found an opportunity to get the so called justice by jumping on that wagon too. As much as I try I can’t be certain of how far I might go if I were in their place. I know there are certain things I would put a stop to, like the NBP bounty and posters; other than that…. well, I’m really not so sure.

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Everyone must be held accountable for their own actions. PERIOD. If it were my son, I would first and foremost want the investigation and evidence to lead me to the TRUTH. If it turns out that the evidence leads to Zimmerman being in the wrong and guilty of a crime, I would love to be present during his trial and sentencing watching justice being served.

However if the evidence led in the other direction and my son was the aggressor and brought his death on himself, then there is nothing more I can do than be grief stricken over the fact that my child made such a foolish decision and got himself killed in the process.

If Treyvon was the aggressor than justice has already been served. If Zimmerman was the aggressor then justice WILL be served.

Either way, my issue is with the media spinning it as a racially motivated crime rather than what the evidence makes it appear to be. (From the little evidence we have of course.)

[RussP]

Originally Posted by Warp

Bits and pieces of information about jewelry/burglary

School suspension for drugs or drug paraphernalia

His own social media posts/conversations about selling 'plants'

etc

Sure seem to paint a picture that Trayvon Martin was involved in criminal activities.

If I recall correctly, burglary cops could not connect any of the jewelry to reported thefts.

I'll ask again, why was the screwdriver in his backpack not considered a weapon? Isn't there zero tolerance for bringing weapons to school?

What was the marijuana offense again? Were criminal charges filed? What did he tell his mother about that?

Yeah, that paints a clear picture, using the paint from the bits and pieces paint can.

And yes, people are involved in criminal activities that have not been caught, yet...

[Warp]

Originally Posted by RussP

If I recall correctly, burglary cops could not connect any of the jewelry to reported thefts.

I'll ask again, why was the screwdriver in his backpack not considered a weapon? Isn't there zero tolerance for bringing weapons to school?

What was the marijuana offense again? Were criminal charges filed? What did he tell his mother about that?

Yeah, that paints a clear picture, using the paint from the bits and pieces paint can.

And yes, people are involved in criminal activities that have not been caught, yet...

"Martin was suspended by Miami-Dade County schools because traces of marijuana were found in a plastic baggie in his book bag, family spokesman Ryan Julison said. Martin was serving the suspension when he was shot Feb. 26."

"The state Department of Juvenile Justice confirmed Monday that Martin does not have a juvenile offender record. The information came after a public records request by The Associated Press."

"Also Monday, an attorney for Martin’s mother confirmed that she filed trademark applications for two slogans containing her son’s name: “Justice for Trayvon” and “I Am Trayvon.” The applications said the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...m_national_pop

[Misty02]

Originally Posted by Roger1079

Everyone must be held accountable for their own actions. PERIOD. If it were my son, I would first and foremost want the investigation and evidence to lead me to the TRUTH. If it turns out that the evidence leads to Zimmerman being in the wrong and guilty of a crime, I would love to be present during his trial and sentencing watching justice being served.

However if the evidence led in the other direction and my son was the aggressor and brought his death on himself, then there is nothing more I can do than be grief stricken over the fact that my child made such a foolish decision and got himself killed in the process.

If Treyvon was the aggressor than justice has already been served. If Zimmerman was the aggressor then justice WILL be served.

Either way, my issue is with the media spinning it as a racially motivated crime rather than what the evidence makes it appear to be. (From the little evidence we have of course.)

I don’t disagree.

The possibility still exists that even if Martin was the aggressor, his aggression could have been classified as self-defense if he was still alive to have his actions at the time judged.

Originally Posted by RussP

If I recall correctly, burglary cops could not connect any of the jewelry to reported thefts.

I'll ask again, why was the screwdriver in his backpack not considered a weapon? Isn't there zero tolerance for bringing weapons to school?

What was the marijuana offense again? Were criminal charges filed? What did he tell his mother about that?

Yeah, that paints a clear picture, using the paint from the bits and pieces paint can.

And yes, people are involved in criminal activities that have not been caught, yet...

Questions that we as parents would have if our kids were involved in something like that. I have a feeling it won’t come up in any interview or in Zimmerman’s trial, if there is one.

As respect a screwdriver being a weapon, just about anything can be a weapon. As wild as the school boards are lately, even a paper gun; even they have to draw the line somewhere though. Heck, a well sharpened pencil could be just as much a weapon. What do you think I have at times where no weapons are allowed? A sturdy solid pen.


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[Misty02]

Originally Posted by Warp

"Martin was suspended by Miami-Dade County schools because traces of marijuana were found in a plastic baggie in his book bag, family spokesman Ryan Julison said. Martin was serving the suspension when he was shot Feb. 26."

"The state Department of Juvenile Justice confirmed Monday that Martin does not have a juvenile offender record. The information came after a public records request by The Associated Press."

"Also Monday, an attorney for Martin’s mother confirmed that she filed trademark applications for two slogans containing her son’s name: “Justice for Trayvon” and “I Am Trayvon.” The applications said the trademarks could be used for such things as DVDs and CDs."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...m_national_pop

That is what the “family” said, to my knowledge it hasn’t been confirmed by a school official or the police. That one can still change. Originally a teacher mentioned he was suspended for being tardy.

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