People Still Liking The PPQ?

reniram · 03-09-2012, 13:04

I've had mine for about five weeks now, and only been able to get to the range with it twice, but it seems like a mighty fine gun. Accurate and a very sweet trigger.

Hokiegrass · 03-09-2012, 13:31

I like mine still... Very fun for range work. I really don't know how keen I am about carrying it, though ( just a mental thing about carrying a fully cocked striker). Really liking the HK LEM trigger for that...

cowboy1964 · 03-09-2012, 13:39

It's not being fully cocked that bothers me it's the .1" reset.

I don't understand this movement by Walther, Sig, etc, to produce ridiculously short reset triggers. Especially with Sig, what was wrong with the old SA trigger?

Hokiegrass · 03-09-2012, 13:47

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

It's not being fully cocked that bothers me it's the .1" reset.

I don't understand this movement by Walther, Sig, etc, to produce ridiculously short reset triggers. Especially with Sig, what was wrong with the old SA trigger?

And that.... I basically use my 220 Elite, w/srt as my HD pistol, and for some reason, it doesn't "seem" as short/sensitive as the PPQ. The old SA trigger for sig was more than enough, I agree

itstime · 03-09-2012, 13:48

I love the PPQ. I love the trigger on it. I think they got it right with it.

DEADEYEGUY · 03-09-2012, 16:23

3700 trouble free rounds now. Superb trigger and ergonomics. HK P30 ergo's, 1911 like trigger, Glock price. What's not to like? As far as carry it's been my constant companion since I got it. Everyone has different comfort levels. As long as you have a holster that covers the trigger, don't touch the trigger until you're ready to fire, and make sure your finger is off the trigger when you re-holster I don't see a problem. To me the only real safety is the one between the ears. If it's not right no manual safety is going to make the gun safe. But YMMV.

hoghunter82 · 03-09-2012, 18:42

The guy at the LGS handed one to me today as a comparison to the P30. Sure it felt similar in the hand, but I noticed that the slide was REALLY loose on the gun. So bad the slide just rattled side to side with just a gentle shake. Did not give me a warm and fuzzy. Especially when handling it next to a P30. The quality was not even in the same ballpark. I know the P30 is more $$, but in all honesty I would not have even taken this particular PPQ if he gave it to me. I know this was just one gun so its not fair to judge. But first impressions mean a lot to me.

FCastle88 · 03-09-2012, 20:23

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Originally Posted by hoghunter82

The guy at the LGS handed one to me today as a comparison to the P30. Sure it felt similar in the hand, but I noticed that the slide was REALLY loose on the gun. So bad the slide just rattled side to side with just a gentle shake. Did not give me a warm and fuzzy. Especially when handling it next to a P30. The quality was not even in the same ballpark. I know the P30 is more $$, but in all honesty I would not have even taken this particular PPQ if he gave it to me. I know this was just one gun so its not fair to judge. But first impressions mean a lot to me.

Out of curiosity, was the mag out of the gun when you shook it? My P99 slide rattles around when the mag is out, but not when the mag is in. The slide is designed to fit loosely on purpose to improve reliability, like Glock slides are.

Comedian · 03-09-2012, 20:33

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Originally Posted by FCastle88

Out of curiosity, was the mag out of the gun when you shook it? My P99 slide rattles around when the mag is out, but not when the mag is in. The slide is designed to fit loosely on purpose to improve reliability, like Glock slides are.

My Glock 17 & 19 slides are not loose, but actually quite tightly fit to the frame. There is no play whatsoever.

Tiro Fijo · 03-09-2012, 20:40

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Originally Posted by hoghunter82

The guy at the LGS handed one to me today as a comparison to the P30. Sure it felt similar in the hand, but I noticed that the slide was REALLY loose on the gun. So bad the slide just rattled side to side with just a gentle shake. Did not give me a warm and fuzzy. Especially when handling it next to a P30. The quality was not even in the same ballpark. I know the P30 is more $$, but in all honesty I would not have even taken this particular PPQ if he gave it to me. I know this was just one gun so its not fair to judge. But first impressions mean a lot to me.

No offense, but that's because you have not been educated properly on handguns as slide fit has NOTHING to do with accuracy. NADA. Barrel lockup on the lugs & muzzle is EVERYTHING. A person checking slide fit is analagous to someone kicking tires on an automobile in that it proves two things:

1. there is indeed air in the tires

2. the person knows absolutely nothing about cars

I have owned a PPQ since last July and have over 7k rds through it. The slide is loose and it will outshoot my SIG p228 & Glock G19 at 25 yds. all day long. Walther barrels are impeccable.

Rooster Rugburn · 03-09-2012, 23:06

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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo

No offense, but that's because you have not been educated properly on handguns as slide fit has NOTHING to do with accuracy. NADA. Barrel lockup on the lugs & muzzle is EVERYTHING. A person checking slide fit is analagous to someone kicking tires on an automobile

That's a point that is lost on amateurs, rookies, and inexperienced shooters.

Gary1911A1 · 03-10-2012, 07:19

Like mine a lot. The trigger is the best I have ever felt on a polymer striker fired pistol, more accurate for anything I would use it for except for perhaps HKs', and 100 percent reliable so far. What's not to like except for cost of additional mags?

fowler · 03-10-2012, 07:23

I shot the polymere HK30,Walther P99 and PPQ along with the Sig Sp2022 and felt the Sig was the best ergomomic shooter of the bunch. I,ll bet the same firm molds all the poly frames. For sure used by more goverments&LE and numbers than the others. One thing most dilike about the Euro-disco P99&PPQ and HK30 is the stupid deisgned magazine release. What a crappy design.

***gruntmedik*** · 03-10-2012, 09:43

I only have 100 or so rounds through mine yet, but so far I really like it. I easily kept all rounds on a 6" Shoot-N-See target at 25yds, and I am a mediocre pistol shooter at best.

Rooster Rugburn · 03-10-2012, 09:48

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Originally Posted by fowler

One thing most dilike about the Euro-disco P99&PPQ and HK30 is the stupid deisgned magazine release. What a crappy design.

So a magazine release that allows you to drop the mag without changing your grip, your stance, or taking the muzzle off target is a bad thing?

The mag release is ahead of it's time and is under appreciated by the average novice. You can literally change a magazine on the P99 or PPQ without changing your grip, stance, or the direction the muzzle is pointed. That is a GOOD thing a novice cannot grasp.

Much like the interchangeable backstrap that was also called unnecessary when the system first came out, you will see other manufacturers copying the mag release in the near future.

It's amazing that someone would think that a small button, that you have to change your grip and stance to push, is better than a lever that doesn't require as much dexterity or a change in grip or stance to push. Imagine the difference in the two in a very stressful, defensive shooting situation.

Rooster Rugburn · 03-10-2012, 09:50

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Originally Posted by gruntmedik

I only have 100 or so rounds through mine yet, but so far I really like it. I easily kept all rounds on a 6" Shoot-N-See target at 25yds, and I am a mediocre pistol shooter at best.

You will experience extremely good accuracy and no failures as you add to the round count. You also won't be reading about any "upgrades" aka recalls on the internet that Walther and SW deny when you ask them.

They are exceptional pistols.

Sporaticus · 03-10-2012, 10:37

"People Still Liking The PPQ"

The Glock Fan Boys don't. It scares the **** out of them. As it should.

Tiro Fijo · 03-10-2012, 11:19

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Originally Posted by Sporaticus

"People Still Liking The PPQ"

The Glock Fan Boys don't. It scares the **** out of them. As it should.

Why is that? I own both and see no threat. Besides, if you don't like Glock then why post on GT? That's like posting on an ex-wife's Facebook is it not?

The PPQ is a wonderful pistol, but Walther is a VERY small company that can barely keep up with demand and is VERY slow to follow up with other models. They also have no infrastructure in place in the USA to really 'push' this gun hard and that is just as well as they don't have the manuf. capacity to meet any large LEO contracts and with Europe financially in ruins I would not look for any expansion.

If anything, I would look for the long awaited H&K striker fired pistol to come out soon as the PPQ is costing H&K more than Glock.

blastfact · 03-10-2012, 11:37

I was at a LGS two weeks ago counter comparing a G17-Gen4, M&P Pro and PPQ. All in 9mm. The Glock got put back under glass pretty fast. Now,,, will it be the PPQ or the M&P.

FCastle88 · 03-10-2012, 18:04

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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo

The PPQ is a wonderful pistol, but Walther is a VERY small company that can barely keep up with demand and is VERY slow to follow up with other models. They also have no infrastructure in place in the USA to really 'push' this gun hard and that is just as well as they don't have the manuf. capacity to meet any large LEO contracts and with Europe financially in ruins I would not look for any expansion.

Might want to check your facts. Walther doesn't have a problem keeping up with demand in the US, they just mostly focus on the European market. There are quite a few police and military forces in Europe using variations of the P99/PPQ, in the US they can't really compete price wise with Glock and S&W, so they focus on Europe. They contract with S&W to distribute their products here and take care of warranty work for the same reason. As for follow up models, there are several different variations in Europe that aren't imported to the US, and the P99 is a very well-designed gun, there isn't much to improve. Like Glock, they don't need to come out with new models every year.

cowboy1964 · 03-11-2012, 00:51

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Originally Posted by Rooster Rugburn

So a magazine release that allows you to drop the mag without changing your grip, your stance, or taking the muzzle off target is a bad thing?

The mag release is ahead of it's time and is under appreciated by the average novice. You can literally change a magazine on the P99 or PPQ without changing your grip, stance, or the direction the muzzle is pointed. That is a GOOD thing a novice cannot grasp.

Much like the interchangeable backstrap that was also called unnecessary when the system first came out, you will see other manufacturers copying the mag release in the near future.

It's amazing that someone would think that a small button, that you have to change your grip and stance to push, is better than a lever that doesn't require as much dexterity or a change in grip or stance to push. Imagine the difference in the two in a very stressful, defensive shooting situation.

Wow, wonder how all the cops and military that use the stupid old button system ever survive?

Caladan · 03-11-2012, 11:11

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Wow, wonder how all the cops and military that use the stupid old button system ever survive?

You should go back and re-read Rooster's post. At no place or time did he ever state that the "old button" did not work. In fact, it did work, which is why the cops and military survived.

But that doesn't mean that something that did work in the past can't be improved upon.

Now you can stop wondering.....

Caladan · 03-11-2012, 11:28

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Originally Posted by Tiro Fijo

The PPQ is a wonderful pistol, but Walther is a VERY small company that can barely keep up with demand and is VERY slow to follow up with other models. They also have no infrastructure in place in the USA to really 'push' this gun hard and that is just as well as they don't have the manuf. capacity to meet any large LEO contracts and with Europe financially in ruins I would not look for any expansion.

Here are a few correct facts:
Walther is in fact a very large company. They make everything from Olympic-grade smallbore rifles and pistols, to Olympic-grade air rifles and pistols, to service rifles and pistols, and to sport handguns, air rifles, and air pistols. They have multiple military and police contracts, and have been doing that type of thing since the early part of the 20th century. They also have sub-divisions such as Umarex that produces a line of airsoft guns and a really crappy .22 handgun.

They do in fact have an infrastructure in the US that could push the guns if they wanted. That infrastructure is called "Smith and Wesson". This company is a very large and very well-known firearms manufacturer in the US, and has the means to "push" quite hard any firearms within their purview. Now, whether or not they decide to do is another matter.

Eric2340 · 03-11-2012, 12:08

What's the big difference between the PPQ and the P99? From what I understand it's the trigger and the feel of the grip? That it?

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Caladan · 03-11-2012, 14:29

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Originally Posted by Eric2340

What's the big difference between the PPQ and the P99? From what I understand it's the trigger and the feel of the grip? That it?

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I only have the P99, so I can't answer your question as of yet. However, you might look at this comparison review...

http://gforcefitness.us/walthercomp.htm