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Old 03-15-2012, 07:39   #26
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There is no accurate up to date count. No human in the world knows the real count until they show up in Tampa. Some states' processes take months- some are a contest of who can keep showing up day after day. That's why the cnn link says "estimate"
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:47   #27
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Seriously? Ignorance or dishonesty?

Well, let's get rid of that ignorance problem. Below is the delegate tracker.

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Yes, let's do that
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:03   #28
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There is no accurate up to date count. No human in the world knows the real count until they show up in Tampa. Some states' processes take months- some are a contest of who can keep showing up day after day. That's why the cnn link says "estimate"
Exactly, the "delegate tracker" is worthless. The only ones known for sure are in the winner takes all states.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:13   #29
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Did you see RP won AL and MISS. Oh wait he didn't he got his normal 4-6%! Gee if this is winning ! I'd hate to loose. So RPmites when will he get the picture and go away!

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He's probably not just running for the entertainment value. I'm sure he has a plan to peddle some influence.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:17   #30
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He's probably not just running for the entertainment value. I'm sure he has a plan to peddle some influence.
Funny you should mention that...

Thinly sourced but still interesting, from yesterday:

Discussions between Paul and Romney are "taking shape"

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History suggests the two men are already in cahoots. Throughout the primary, Paul has been Romney’s secret weapon. During the 20 GOP debates, Paul attacked Romney’s rivals a total of 39 times while sparing Romney entirely, according to an analysis by the liberal group ThinkProgress. Paul leapt to Romney’s defense when his tenure at Bain Capital and his taste for firing insurance companies came under attack, and skewered a series of Romney antagonists in TV ads. “He is our deputy campaign manager,” jokes one Romney ally.

Paul’s advisers bristle at suggestions that the libertarian icon is in league the GOP frontrunner. They say Paul still has a shot at the nomination if he can hold Romney beneath the delegate threshold until Tampa and then force a floor fight that sends delegates fleeing to Paul on a secondary ballot. This may be the company line, but the scenario is improbable enough that even Paul has conceded his “chances are slim.”

Even as they tamp down rumors of a pact, Paul’s advisers concede that the friendship between Paul and Romney is the initial step toward a deal. And behind the scenes, discussions between the two campaigns — as well as initial discussions with the Santorum and Gingrich camps, according to one Paul adviser — are slowly taking shape.

An alliance could benefit both camps. Paul’s support would go a long way toward helping Romney with a bloc of young Republicans who have been turning out in huge numbers for Paul and who otherwise might stay home in November. It might also help Romney grab all of Paul’s delegates. Such an arrangement would help Paul get what a Romney ally called “an important speaking role at the convention.”
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:58   #31
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Hopefully people like me.
There's that "hope" again. Has Obama not adequately demonstrated yet what happens when "hope" and "reality" collide?

What, in real life, is going to make all those people "like you" even run for Congress, let alone get elected?
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:30   #33
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Are you of the opinion that Ron P. has more delegates than Santorum?
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Funny you should mention that...

Thinly sourced but still interesting, from yesterday:

Discussions between Paul and Romney are "taking shape"
Goalie, The weakness in that theory about Ron Paul delivering his young supporters to Romney is that it just won't happen. Those young supporters aren't going to compromise their beliefs and support Romney or one of the other GOP candidates. Should Dr. Paul not win the nomination they will either vote for a third party candidate, write in Ron Paul, or not cast a vote for president at all.
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Goalie, The weakness in that theory about Ron Paul delivering his young supporters to Romney is that it just won't happen. Those young supporters aren't going to compromise their beliefs and support Romney or one of the other GOP candidates. Should Dr. Paul not win the nomination they will either vote for a third party candidate, write in Ron Paul, or not cast a vote for president at all.

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Old 03-26-2012, 21:00   #36
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Are you of the opinion that Ron P. has more delegates than Santorum?
I don't know, i doubt it. But in missouri, where santorum won huge in the primary vote and paul got something like 12%, it looks like paul is going to end up with the majority of the delegates. I think the same thing is happening in several places, like nevada. I don't know, i don't think anybody knows what is really happening, and it's not over anyway.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ntional-wisdom

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-ro...-caucus-2012-3

santorum beat him 55% to 12% in primary beauty contest, and is getting killed where it counts, apparently
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Are you of the opinion that Ron P. has more delegates than Santorum?
Have you at least watch the video he posted?


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I don't know, i doubt it. But in missouri, where santorum won huge in the primary vote and paul got something like 12%, it looks like paul is going to end up with the majority of the delegates. I think the same thing is happening in several places, like nevada. I don't know, i don't think anybody knows what is really happening, and it's not over anyway.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ntional-wisdom

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-ro...-caucus-2012-3

santorum beat him 55% to 12% in primary beauty contest, and is getting killed where it counts, apparently

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Exactly, the "delegate tracker" is worthless. The only ones known for sure are in the winner takes all states.
And from what i understand, even those are only bound for the first round. If the first round isn't decisive, ie romney doesn't get the 1144 or whatever it is on the first round, then even the bound delegates from those winner take all states become unbound and can change to whoever they want for the next round. In other words, if romney doesn't take it on the first shot, anything could happen. I think i've got that right, not positive.
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either way, the MSM "delegate tracker" is propaganda at best, total BS at worst. nobody knows until it happens
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That is correct, Stubudd
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Old 03-26-2012, 21:37   #42
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uhhh ohhhhhhhh

iowa too it looks like, this time at romney's expense instead of santorum:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...ef=mostpopular

But as he is likely to find out in many caucus states, Santorum faces a roadblock: Paul's passionate and organized supporters, working to position themselves for spots as delegates at the national convention in Tampa, Fla., this August.

"They're going to be feisty and they're going to fight," said Craig Robinson, a former state GOP official who now writes a popular state politics blog, The Iowa Republican.

"I think that Santorum will get the delegates he should get but I think Ron Paul will get way more delegates than he should get," Robinson said, adding that he worries that Paul could potentially give Iowa a black eye by winning the most delegates.

The winner of Iowa's caucuses has already changed once, after the state Republican Party announced Santorum the winner three weeks after saying Romney had won the night of the caucuses.

"It would be terrible for Iowa if you had Romney the winner on caucus day, three weeks later Santorum, and then three months later Ron Paul," Robinson said.



like the thread title says i guess

so apparently romney is nowhere near as close to locking this up is as his campaign and the msm insist on us believing, and the 'delegate tracker" is 100% a farce. Good grief do they ever stop lying to me, the politicians, the media, everybody
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I don't know, i doubt it. But in missouri, where santorum won huge in the primary vote and paul got something like 12%, it looks like paul is going to end up with the majority of the delegates. I think the same thing is happening in several places, like nevada. I don't know, i don't think anybody knows what is really happening, and it's not over anyway.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews...ntional-wisdom

http://www.businessinsider.com/is-ro...-caucus-2012-3

santorum beat him 55% to 12% in primary beauty contest, and is getting killed where it counts, apparently
I'm not really buying it. I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds like a ploy to raise enough false hope to keep a campaign alive despite some really bad numbers.

That said, I love it.

I'd like to see Ron, Newt, and Frothy Rick stay in 'til the bitter end, just to watch Romney continue to flail around in his web of lies.
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Take back our government and end the era of the career politician.
Naw. It's so much easier to just vote for Romney or Obama.

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I'm not really buying it. I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds like a ploy to raise enough false hope to keep a campaign alive despite some really bad numbers.

That said, I love it.

I'd like to see Ron, Newt, and Frothy Rick stay in 'til the bitter end, just to watch Romney continue to flail around in his web of lies.
The RP campaign says it is a long shot just not as long as the media says it it.


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I want RP to be President precisely because I don't want anything from a President; I don't expect anything from the government. I agree with the goals of RP, but will be more than happy to have a President who takes his oath to the Constitution seriously and will thusly veto the vast majority of legislation on his desk. I think what this country (and the businesses within it) needs is less government and less legislation. RP equals just that.

If you want something from .gov or if you want the .gov to accomplish something, then RP is not your man.
I didn't want this to go unnoticed.

You are correct of course. At this point the best we could hope for is glorious NOTHING. I don't want a President "getting things done". 4 years of Vetos and Pocket Vetos and repealing EOs would be good enough for me.
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I'm not really buying it. I'll believe it when I see it. Sounds like a ploy to raise enough false hope to keep a campaign alive despite some really bad numbers.

That said, I love it.

I'd like to see Ron, Newt, and Frothy Rick stay in 'til the bitter end, just to watch Romney continue to flail around in his web of lies.
It's false hope if you're expecting ron paul to win it outright or something, yea. That's not gonna happen, but we've known that for a while now. But if you're hoping to have a convention instead of a coronation for romney to send him out to get crushed by obama, it's very real. Really bad numbers don't matter in some of these places- santorum absolutely crushed everybody in missouri, but isn't going to win where it actually matters. The same thing appears to be happening in other places as well. If romney doesn't make 1144 there is no telling what will happen, except we'll know they'll at least have to deal with paul and santorum. Paul's supporters, his campaign, will play some part in what happens- that's the best we can hope for. Beats the hell out of just crowning romney, nothing false about that. I guess we'll see.

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It's false hope if you're expecting ron paul to win it outright or something, yea. That's not gonna happen, but we've known that for a while now. But if you're hoping to have a convention instead of a coronation for romney to send him out to get crushed by obama, it's very real. Really bad numbers don't matter in some of these places- santorum absolutely crushed everybody in missouri, but isn't going to win where it actually matters. The same thing appears to be happening in other places as well. If romney doesn't make 1144 there is no telling what will happen, except we'll know they'll at least have to deal with paul and santorum. Paul's supporters, his campaign, will play some part in what happens- that's the best we can hope for. Beats the hell out of just crowning romney, nothing false about that. I guess we'll see.
I agree. Maybe "false hope" was too derogatory a term for me to use, given that I'm happy he's doing it. It sounded to me like people were putting a little too much faith in what Paul was accomplishing with this strategy, but I could be mistaken. I would certainly like to see an "interesting" convention in August, so I wish Paul (and Santorum, and Newt) the best of luck with their respective strategies.
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The RP campaign says it is a long shot just not as long as the media says it it.


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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_1...op-nomination/

now they're gonna have to start owning up to it. been telling us it was over since before it started.
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now they're gonna have to start owning up to it. been telling us it was over since before it started.
To top even that, the estimate they're now saying "may not be enough" is based off the same BS number they've been giving us the whole time- it still has Romney winning most of iowa and nevada and whatever else, where we've heard first hand for some of those places that that's not at all what's happening.

So they're really saying even with their absurdly biased "delegate tracking", he may still not even be close.
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