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Old 03-14-2012, 11:28   #1
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Discovery and Bear Gryllis part ways

Looks like no more Man vs Wild.

I'm kind of torn by the news. Sure Bear was rumored to occasionally sleep in hotels, staged some things, and slapped his name on a bunch of Chinese crap, but he seems like a nice guy, SAS trained, and he pretty much launched the Survival show concept.

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/discovery-t...160616521.html

I would never trust his advice, but he was entertaining.
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Old 03-14-2012, 11:40   #2
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Finally it's gone. I think it's been about a dozen times that i've told myself "Hmm, it can't be that bad, I'll try and watch an episode . . . " only to barely make it through the intro credits and turn it off.

As for him launching the survival show concept? No, he did it 2 years too late, and horribly. Les Stroud did it first, did it better, and did it without a camera crew carrying his matches and first aid kit for him.
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Old 03-14-2012, 12:30   #3
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Les Stroud? What about Ray Mears?
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Old 03-14-2012, 17:13   #4
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I would never trust his advice, but he was entertaining.
Just curious, what advice has he ever given that was patently bad or wrong?
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Old 03-14-2012, 17:31   #5
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Stroud launched that TV genre.

Gryliss sleeping in hotels and staging (ie Lying) stuff was proven. Add to that crap that he traveled with a committee, camera crew and more med staff than your average HMO and you can see why he is the laughingstock of people that take this seriously.

I mean, Come On. Stroud carried his own camera and lives in the wild even when not filming. That dudes for real. Gryliss is a TV actor.
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Old 03-14-2012, 17:31   #6
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I like Bear. He's entertaining and the show says right up front that some of the situations are set up to provide an interesting scenario.

If you watch any of those shows (Survivor Man included) looking for more than entertainment and the occasional good idea, you are making a mistake.
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Old 03-14-2012, 18:02   #7
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I always liked Les Stroud, because he always looked like a guy who took a nap on a couch, and his buddies dropped him in the middle of nowhere. He wakes up, dusts off the cheetos, and says, "Oh, crap, where did they dump me this time?"
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Grylls, not Gryllis. If you're going to pound on the guy, at least get his name right.
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Old 03-14-2012, 18:29   #9
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Ray Maers is a good one, but his show aired on th BBC after Baer Grylls

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Old 03-14-2012, 19:28   #10
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I like Bear. He's entertaining and the show says right up front that some of the situations are set up to provide an interesting scenario.

If you watch any of those shows (Survivor Man included) looking for more than entertainment and the occasional good idea, you are making a mistake.
This - at the end of the day people forget it's edu-tainment. If it were not for Bear, there wouldn't be any others. Survival fans are often wound a little tight. Bear's message has been beat into people very well. Find the high ground, get to the river, follow it to civilization. Do this fast. Greta advice for most people. Not you guys - but you are not most people if you are reading this.

Bear had a good run.

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I always liked Les Stroud, because he always looked like a guy who took a nap on a couch, and his buddies dropped him in the middle of nowhere. He wakes up, dusts off the cheetos, and says, "Oh, crap, where did they dump me this time?"
Most of Les Stroud's show looks like a guy sleeping on the couch. He has often put me to sleep while i was on the couch.

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Old 03-14-2012, 19:35   #11
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I don't watch much tv, and had assumed his show went off the air a long time ago. I watched a couple episodes the first season, and couldn't believe the risks he would take. I guess entertaining for some, but horrible advice for someone that really was lost by themselves.

I liked Les Stroud, but he would basically just fast for a week, so his show wasn't perfect either.
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Old 03-14-2012, 20:59   #12
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He launched the survival show concept? REALLY? HAHA. Not even to begin counting the old school PBS type crap, but did you forget about Les Stroud? The one who had no crew? The one who actually spent a full 7 days alone, filming himself, and only quit doing the show because of the mass physical and mental strain it had on him? Screw Edward (aka fake name, Bear Grylls).
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Bear's show was Ok. Les Stroud is booorrreeiiinnnggg. Les spends more time with moving cameras than he does teaching survival skills. I rather watch Duel Survival.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:35   #14
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Just curious, what advice has he ever given that was patently bad or wrong?
Not a big watcher of the show; but as I pointed out to my wife IMO Bear's biggest problem was he showed people, in a survival ideology, some pretty dangerous stuff. The whole "I'm going to launch myself down a raging white cap river rather than walk the bank" is just plain stupid and dangerous (of course during his shows he had a life vest under his shirt).

Several times he made some jumps into water which clearly were unnecessary. I know in a survival mode you may need to do some dangerous things but the only rule in these situations is to come out alive. I'm sure he had a member of the film crew check to make sure there were no rocks...then jumped...where in a real emergency situation like this you don't have this luxury.

Having watched Survivor Man and Dual Survival at least they seem to be a little more common sense oriented. I don't recall anything Les did where I though "Ok, that is really dumb."

Dual Survival seems to have some Darwinian moments like going after the honey in a hive of Africanized Honey Bees but for the most part seems pretty responsible
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:48   #15
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Bear's show was Ok. Les Stroud is booorrreeiiinnnggg. Les spends more time with moving cameras than he does teaching survival skills. I rather watch Duel Survival.
Dual Survival is actually my favorite. Dave and Cody's sometimes opposing views on proper techniques make the show pretty interesting.
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Just curious, what advice has he ever given that was patently bad or wrong?
The way he moves across terrains. Jumping off a 40 foot cliff into a boulder filled lake, using just your body to ride a raging river, and climbing up a 100ft rockface will significantly decrease your chances of survival, but I'll be honest, it makes for great TV.

Like I said, I like Bear as a person, and I hate to see him go. My kids love his show for the action and the gross out moments, and I admit they picked up a few geography, and plant and animal facts here and there. Les Stroud may have started first, but I could never sit through an entire show. Les whines, is too serious, and a snoozefest.
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Finally it's gone. I think it's been about a dozen times that i've told myself "Hmm, it can't be that bad, I'll try and watch an episode . . . " only to barely make it through the intro credits and turn it off.

As for him launching the survival show concept? No, he did it 2 years too late, and horribly. Les Stroud did it first, did it better, and did it without a camera crew carrying his matches and first aid kit for him.
Yep - the only thing I found worse, among survival shows, was all of the other survival shows.

Don't get me wrong, I think people who believe it's some kind of reality gameshow, where he's supposed to really be surviving unassisted are idiots. The point of the show is to show how to survive - it's irrelevant whether he leaves the hotel to shoot for 4 hours a day before hitting the bar. However, aside from Gryllis, where do they get the creepy, city-living hippies they put on these shows? They are making survival shows with what seem to be couch potatos who read survival books.
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who were the two guys --one of them is barefoot almost all the time?
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:25   #19
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Being a good friend with A guy who is good friends with one of the persons mentioned in this thread I can say for certain the people who work for the network have more to say what goes on the show than the "experts".


I was told stories where the person didn't want to do what was told to do because he didn't believe it was good advice but had to do certain things anyway.
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Being a good friend with A guy who is good friends with one of the persons mentioned in this thread I can say for certain the people who work for the network have more to say what goes on the show than the "experts".


I was told stories where the person didn't want to do what was told to do because he didn't believe it was good advice but had to do certain things anyway.
I know people who work in the TV and Radio industry and I totally believe what you are saying there.
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My issue with BG was his (or the producers', whoever) insistence on doing things that were blatantly bad ideas and often flat-out dangerous.

I only watched the show fully twice, and caught little snippets of probably five or six others, but there was so much dangerous advice and example that I couldn't personally get into it. One episode I watched, he climbed down a vine right in the middle of a waterfall, just to see if there was anything useful or edible down there. When there wasn't, he climbed right back up THRU the waterfall again, rather than go five feet to either side where it was clear. One episode, he said he hadn't eaten in six or seven hours, and so ate something (don't recall what it was now) that he KNEW, and said he knew, was toxic; and then spent the night cramped & sick.

He loves to jump over anything he possibly can, and while it looks nifty on camera, very few things will get you gimped in the woods faster than jumping on & over things willy-nilly; especially things in areas that you haven't traversed previously, which is the whole premise of his show.

I understand it's not a training film, but to me it's like watching a Jeffrey Dahmer cooking show or a Roseanne Barr fitness show. Just so much wrong with it that I can't bring myself to sacrifice even those few minutes to it.
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Having watched Survivor Man and Dual Survival at least they seem to be a little more common sense oriented. I don't recall anything Les did where I though "Ok, that is really dumb."
I think that sums it up for me. While Les' show definitely wasn't the most exciting or even the most entertaining, it was the most realistic. It doesn't glorify survival like some of the other shows. Survival sucks and in most of his shows he has a sucky time. May not be as fun to watch as senselessly drinking from elephant s*** or jumping off a waterfall, but to me it's more worth watching.

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Just curious, what advice has he ever given that was patently bad or wrong?
99% of the stuff that involved climbing, jumping and sliding. You do not risk injury in a true survival situation because it compounds the problem and can be a game ender. If your choice is to scale an 80' cliff or spend 30 minutes walking around you take the long route.


This thread right here proves why the shows are geared the way they are; "Survivorman was 'boring'". That is what survival looks like, making fire, shelter, snares and other boring tasks. Bear took the base that Les built and upped it with his own dramatic flair. He jumped, dived, swam and climbed everything in sight to give some 'excitement' which had nothing to do with survival.

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Grylls, not Gryllis. If you're going to pound on the guy, at least get his name right.
He aint worth the effort it takes to learn to spell his sorry name. P o s e r is how I spell it.
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