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Old 03-20-2012, 10:31   #1
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Draco + shoulder stock = SBR?

I came in to work today and my boss (the owner) and his future son in law (both great guys and normally pretty smart) were standing around trying to decide the best way to attach an ACE skeleton folding stock to his Draco AK pistol. I work for a small family-owned and operated auto repair facility (which for legal purposes shall remain nameless...) so drilling and tapping the back of the receiver would likely take about 10 minutes. I about **** my pants and said "umm guys I'm about 99% sure that makes it a Short Barreled Rifle, and thus illegal without a BATFE stamp/paperwork or something..." Am I crazy or were they about to get in some deep doo-doo? Also is it legal to have a forward pistol grip on it? I was pretty sure that's OK, but not 100%...
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Old 03-20-2012, 10:37   #2
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You are correct.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:00   #3
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It is even easier to get into trouble with the AR15 pistols...

Take the short-barrel pistol upper off and put it on a rifle lower and presto... Instant illegal SBR. OK, may not instant, but 30 seconds or so for the swap.

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Old 03-20-2012, 11:05   #4
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Shoulder stock makes it an SBR, short barreled rifle. Forward grip makes it an AOW, any other weapon. Both need BATFE approval and stamp.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:05   #5
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You are correct.
He is correct.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:06   #6
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Shoulder stock makes it an SBR, short barreled rifle. Forward grip makes it an AOW, any other weapon. Both need BATFE approval and stamp.
Except the Magpul AFG.
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Old 03-20-2012, 11:10   #7
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This might be a dumb question but what about adding a sling. Would the BATFE need to be informed.






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Old 03-20-2012, 11:17   #8
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Sling is OK, vertical grip on AK interfere's with mag changes, if you want to add a stock to a Draco it's much cheaper to pay the BATFE up front.

Use the front of the mag as a vertical grip instead.
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Old 03-20-2012, 19:16   #9
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If memory serves...

SBR - $200 tax stamp

AOW - $5 tax stamp


Tell him he is the owner of the company and can afford the $200 if he takes it out of your check


Seriously, you saved his butt.....literally


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Old 03-20-2012, 19:33   #10
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Except the Magpul AFG.

Correct,......the statute states VERTICAL forward grip
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Buy them both a Soap on a Rope......sounds like they will need it!

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Old 03-20-2012, 19:50   #12
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If memory serves...

SBR - $200 tax stamp

AOW - $5 tax stamp


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The $5 tax for AOW's only applies to transferring them on a Form 4. To manufacture one yourself on a Form 1 is still $200.
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Old 03-20-2012, 20:39   #13
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If memory serves...

SBR - $200 tax stamp

AOW - $5 tax stamp


Tell him he is the owner of the company and can afford the $200 if he takes it out of your check


Seriously, you saved his butt.....literally


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The $5 tax for AOW's only applies to transferring them on a Form 4. To manufacture one yourself on a Form 1 is still $200.
Correct. Making tax is ALWAYS $200, AOW, SBR, SBS, etc.

OP, as others have said, slapping a stock on that Draco is highly illegal. 10 years in federal PYITA prison and $250,000 fine illegal.
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10 years in federal PYITA prison

Now that thares funny, I don care who ya R!
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Well, funny until you get handed the orange jumpsuit...
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Old 03-20-2012, 23:20   #16
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If you pay for the sbr and suppressor tax stamp, do you also have to pay for a foregrip tax stamp?

It would suck to have to pay $600.
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If you pay for the sbr and suppressor tax stamp, do you also have to pay for a foregrip tax stamp?

It would suck to have to pay $600.
Once you pay the $200 tax stamp to SBR/SBS the item on a Form 1 (or it is xfered on a Form 4) there are no limitations to stock, foregrip, barrel length, etc.
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Old 03-20-2012, 23:52   #18
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Once you pay the $200 tax stamp to SBR/SBS the item on a Form 1 (or it is xfered on a Form 4) there are no limitations to stock, foregrip, barrel length, etc.
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