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Old 03-25-2012, 09:05   #1
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obama care up before supreme court!

i think it will be deemed unconstitutional., what do yall think??
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:15   #2
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I think it's "iffy".
One must remember that the SC is part of the federal monster, a party to the suit. I seriously doubt it's impartiality.
Given the fact that the SC had (has) original juristiction anyway, it all seems to be choreographed for us minions.
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:18   #3
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The SC likes to put things off.


My prediction is that they will not accept the argument until someone actually has to pay an Obama tax levy for not enrolling in a .govt approved healthcare plan.
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Old 03-25-2012, 09:20   #4
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monday is the first of 3 day argument for or against it,, we shall see what unfolds..
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The SC likes to put things off.


My prediction is that they will not accept the argument until someone actually has to pay an Obama tax levy for not enrolling in a .govt approved healthcare plan.
I think they know how important it is that this be decided now.

You might be right. I hope not.
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Old 03-25-2012, 10:24   #6
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i think it will be deemed unconstitutional., what do yall think??
If it is ruled unconstitutional, it just may be the catalyst that
turns the tide of both public and political opinion against Obama.

I hope so!
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Old 03-25-2012, 10:37   #7
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I don't think they will overturn the entire law. They are allowing Kagan to hear the case, and won't even consider arguments that she should recuse herself.

The justices are bureaucrats, and bureaucrats are very reluctant to reduce the power of any bureaucracy.

The liberals on the court have said they look at European rulings and policies to decide US cases. So they are definitely going to vote to uphold.

I don't know if I trust Kennedy with regard to restricting bureaucratic powers, and Roberts has been somewhat of a disappointment. There will probably be some kind of deal, and vague wording.

The Obama administration will ignore any ruling they don't agree with anyway.
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I predict that they will find it constitutional, 5-4. After that, the federal government will have carte blanche to force Americans to do anything.
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I don't think they will overturn the entire law. They are allowing Kagan to hear the case, and won't even consider arguments that she should recuse herself.
The ultimate "plant" and a choice example of the consequence of Presidential elections.
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I predict that they will find it constitutional, 5-4. After that, the federal government will have carte blanche to force Americans to do anything.

Sadly, I have to agree.
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I predict that they will find it constitutional, 5-4. After that, the federal government will have carte blanche to force Americans to do anything.
Strange how that happens..... And with Kegan on the bench we all know where she will stand on this issue.

How she is able to even give her opinion on ObamaCare is beyond me. Obama probably called her personally to make sure she is going to be in there voting.

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We need to repeal Government Health Care right now!
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How she is able to even give her opinion on ObamaCare is beyond me. Obama probably called her personally to make sure she is going to be in there voting.
This government is broken and damaged beyond all repair. What's really galling, is that the animals in DC are going to try and make sure as many people suffer under their tyranny and mismanagement as possible.

The really sad thing is watching the true believers vote for stooges like Romney or Santorum, as if it makes any difference, whatsoever.
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After that, the federal government will have carte blanche to force Americans to do anything.
Which has been the goal of all three branches of government, and both parties, for a long time.

An interesting aspect will be how it will effect the November elections and if the republicans will actually repeal it? If they do, which is unlikely, the SC will have ruled that congress can force the people to do anything it wants.

The long range effects of this ruling are a lot more serious than just obamacare.
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If the opposing States simply say "no".
Are these the seeds of the next American Civil War?

The map - The 2015 war of Federal Aggression. (aka - the Second American Civil War)

Rebel States - in grey. Might disturb some ghosts when you Pennsylvania boys line up with the Virginia boys. Last time, you were looking across the field at each other at Gettysburg.

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States suing over ObamaCare

Virginia
Florida
South Carolina
Nebraska
Texas
Utah
Louisiana
Alabama
Michigan
Colorado
Pennsylvania
Washington
Idaho
South Dakota
North Dakota
Arizona
Georgia
Alaska
Nevada
Indiana
Mississippi
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Wyoming
Ohio
Kansas
Maine
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If the opposing States simply say "no".
Are these the seeds of the next American Civil War?

The map - The 2015 war of Federal Aggression. (aka - the Second American Civil War)

Rebel States - in grey. Might disturb some ghosts when you Pennsylvania boys line up with the Virginia boys. Last time, you were looking across the field at each other at Gettysburg.

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States suing over ObamaCare

Virginia
Florida
South Carolina
Nebraska
Texas
Utah
Louisiana
Alabama
Michigan
Colorado
Pennsylvania
Washington
Idaho
South Dakota
North Dakota
Arizona
Georgia
Alaska
Nevada
Indiana
Mississippi
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Wyoming
Ohio
Kansas
Maine
Surprised Texas is not on there... Oh wait... that's right it's big business. And I am sure that many of these insurance companies that set up shop here in Texas due to lack of consumer protection laws are thinking they will make a buck off this program and have most probably been leveraging their pocket politicians.






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Old 03-25-2012, 12:26   #17
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I wanted the Federalie States in RED - denoting their political agenda.
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Old 03-25-2012, 12:32   #18
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Opening moves in the 2015 War of Federal Agression

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The Federalies move to consolidate Virginia from North and South.

California uses her weight to crush Washington State and cut off Alaska while pushing East at least to the Grand Canyon.

The Southern Rebels and the Northern midland Rebels pinch Federalies Kentucky and Tennessee in order to isolate the Mississippi river valley from the Northeast. (Although this is G33 country, I suspect Rebels will be readily welcomed among the independently minded hill folk of TN).
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If the opposing States simply say "no".
Are these the seeds of the next American Civil War?

The map - The 2015 war of Federal Aggression. (aka - the Second American Civil War)

Rebel States - in grey. Might disturb some ghosts when you Pennsylvania boys line up with the Virginia boys. Last time, you were looking across the field at each other at Gettysburg.

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States suing over ObamaCare

Virginia
Florida
South Carolina
Nebraska
Texas
Utah
Louisiana
Alabama
Michigan
Colorado
Pennsylvania
Washington
Idaho
South Dakota
North Dakota
Arizona
Georgia
Alaska
Nevada
Indiana
Mississippi
Wisconsin
Oklahoma
Wyoming
Ohio
Kansas
Maine
Cool. My state will be on the right side this time.
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Surprised Texas is not on there... Oh wait... that's right it's big business. And I am sure that many of these insurance companies that set up shop here in Texas due to lack of consumer protection laws are thinking they will make a buck off this program and have most probably been leveraging their pocket politicians.






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#5 on the list, Javelin.
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Anyone got any links to the actual arguments being made in the case?

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Surprised Texas is not on there... Oh wait... that's right it's big business. And I am sure that many of these insurance companies that set up shop here in Texas due to lack of consumer protection laws are thinking they will make a buck off this program and have most probably been leveraging their pocket politicians.






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Check fire! Check fire!

Texas is grey on the map and #5 on the list.
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Anyone got any links to the actual arguments being made in the case?
See the SCOTUS Blog's This week at the Court for links to the court cases they will be hearing oral arguments on this week.

The audio recordings and transcripts of the oral arguments will be made available in the afternoon following the arguments.

To the OP's post. It should be a slam dunk 9-0 ruling against, striking the entire bill, but it won't. It will probably be 5-4 one way or the other. Some think the court will uphold it. What ever the court does it will provide more business for lawyers, which is what most of their rulings do.

Even Scalia? CNN Legal Analyst Toobin Says SCOTUS Might Uphold ObamaCare 8-1
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matt-ha...-obamacare-8-1
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I wanted the Federalie States in RED - denoting their political agenda.
Tennessee should be on the list, I don't know why they aren't. Unless it's because we had a democrat governor when it all started. That's changed now. TN is solidly in the hands of republicans, and democrats of 30+ years are retiring.
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Plenty of us folks in TN that want nothing to do with Obama care. Id it were up to me and mine, we'd be suing, too.
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