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Old 03-27-2012, 20:29   #1
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Carry at work?

So I'm reading an employee handbook today and find this under the heading of "Prohibited Conduct"
"Possessing firearms or other weapons on company property, including parking lots, unless specifically permitted in accordance with state law."

So since I possess a HCP does that allow me "specifically permitted in accordance with state law"?

I seem to think so
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Old 03-27-2012, 20:51   #2
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I'll bet it means whatever the boss wants it to mean.

If they want to make an issue out of it they will fire you for it.
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Old 03-27-2012, 20:57   #3
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I think it means deep concealment.
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Old 03-27-2012, 21:38   #4
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So I'm reading an employee handbook today and find this under the heading of "Prohibited Conduct"
"Possessing firearms or other weapons on company property, including parking lots, unless specifically permitted in accordance with state law."

So since I possess a HCP does that allow me "specifically permitted in accordance with state law"?

I seem to think so
Sounds like an HCP is what you need.
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Old 03-27-2012, 22:06   #5
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It might mean that in states like TX and OK a company can't prohibit you from having a gun in your car while parked on company property.
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Old 03-28-2012, 04:56   #6
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Likely their intent means security guards....that will be their position at the labor board hearing when you are appealing being terminated.
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:36   #7
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Unless your state has an exemption in either it's carry law or labor law I would expect that you would be fired, and your unemployment would probably be denied if you were caught carrying on the clock. There are a large number of states that won't allow employers to ban firearms from parking lots, that would be "specifically permitted."
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Old 03-28-2012, 06:54   #8
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Odd wording. Permits aren't generally seen as "lawful purposes" or "IAWSL" in statutory or policy applications (except on the internet). But some states require employers to allow employees to store firearms in their vehicles with proper permits. I could see this specific wording referencing that. Do you live in such a state? Ultimately, it's up to the interpretation and intent of your employer. Ask if you want to be legit.
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So I'm reading an employee handbook today and find this under the heading of "Prohibited Conduct"
"Possessing firearms or other weapons on company property, including parking lots, unless specifically permitted in accordance with state law."

So since I possess a HCP does that allow me "specifically permitted in accordance with state law"?

I seem to think so
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:20   #9
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So I'm reading an employee handbook today and find this under the heading of "Prohibited Conduct"
"Possessing firearms or other weapons on company property, including parking lots, unless specifically permitted in accordance with state law." So since I possess a HCP does that allow me "specifically permitted in accordance with state law"? I seem to think so
The statement, 'Prohibited Conduct: Possessing firearms or other weapons on company property, including parking lots, unless specifically permitted in accordance with state law.' is a contradiction in terms. The author's intent is too ambiguous for another person to accurately identify.

Now, my wife's personnel handbook clearly stated, 'No firearms are allowed on company property.' - Period. She was really upset when she was forced to stop carrying; but, her two dialectically opposite choices were obvious. She decided to stop carrying during the week; and I quickly noticed that once the Ruger began to be left home ...... well, it tended to stay there.

This is when I started to hear sage remarks like, 'What do I need my gun for?' 'I've got you!' Guess she forgot that I wasn't there for, both, the attempted carjacking and very bloody store robbery that she subsequently became involved in. The ironic part? Her boss is an NRA Lifer who owns a large and expensive gun collection.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:32   #10
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Dane, The Tn Senate is going to vote on the "Parking Lot Bill" very soon. It will pass and anyone with a HCP will be allowed to keep their guns locked in the car.
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Old 03-28-2012, 07:46   #11
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My work just last week updated our "Weapons Policy". I'm sure it has to do with insurance as we already had something similar in the handbook to what was posted earlier. We also had to sign a receipt of the policy.

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Weapons Policy

“Company” desires to have all associates work in a safe and secure environment.

Therefore, “Company” strictly prohibits firearms, concealed or otherwise, or any other type of weapon in their possession on all “Company” premises, including “Company” buildings and parking lots, as well as on customer property. Firearms and weapons are also prohibited from all “Company” functions and events, regardless of where they are held. Weapons include, but are not limited to, ammunition of any kind, knives (other than small pocket knives), explosives, and/or any other objects that could be used to harass, intimidate, or injure another individual.

This policy applies to all associates, regardless of whether they have a “concealed carry” endorsement.

If an associate determines or has reason to believe that someone is in violation of this policy, the associate is to notify management immediately. Violators of this policy will be subject to disciplinary action, up to and including termination.
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RECEIPT & ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF “Company's” WEAPONS POLICY


Please read the following statements and sign below to acknowledge your receipt of the “Company” Weapons Policy.

• I have received and read a copy of the “Company” Weapons Policy.

• I understand that this policy is subject to change at the sole discretion of “Company” at any time.

• I understand that should the contents of this policy be changed in any way, “Company” may require an additional signature from me to indicate that I am aware of and understand any new policies.

• I understand that my signature below indicates that I have read and understand the above statements and have received a copy of the “Company” Weapons Policy.



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Old 03-28-2012, 09:07   #12
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Yep, we have a policy here at work as well, the Workplace Violence Prevention policy. Rediculous to say the least. I work at a Credit Union, that has had 5 branches robbed in the 5 years I have been here, 3 of those one branch. It irks me to no end to drive to work, take my 26 and CTAC off, leave it in the car, and put it back on when I go out. The only workplace violence we have is thugs coming in waving guns around and demanding money and they don't give a damn about our policy. In fact, if someone here snapped and went postal, the policy wouldn't do diddly squat to prevent them from coming back and shooting up the place, it would just negate my right to defend ME!!!

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Old 03-28-2012, 09:08   #13
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Old 03-28-2012, 09:34   #14
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I have no idea what my employer's "official" policy is in this regard. I work in Maryland so it's irrelevant anyway.
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:18   #15
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Carry a gun. Don't tell anyone about it. If you end up using it or someone spots it, 'permitted' or not, put in your 2 weeks notice before they get a chance to fire you. Because you are getting fired.

Thats just how it is.
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The policy allows weapons when specifically permitted by state law. You were issued your PERMIT by the state, right? Sounds like you are literally "permitted" by state law.
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Old 03-28-2012, 10:40   #17
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there is NOTHING in my policy that says i cant carry at work.. not a single word! so i carry and its privatly owned company so its legal.

i wonder if they could fire someone if it WASNT in the handbook????
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Old 03-28-2012, 13:08   #18
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Don't ask, don't tell anyone if you carry and it does not state anything in the corp. policy.
If you ask it will have most likely two effects:
1. They wake up and will add it in most cases.
2. You will be always looked at someone who "wants to bring a gun to work".
So you are not a good little sheep and you bite back >>>> bad employee / liability.

In most cases the wonderful insurance industry is to blame.
They would not be liable for employees being shot by some criminal or murderer, but if the employee shoots such a person in self defense, they would have to pay.

Oh; when asking for the policy, have a good excuse!
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Old 03-28-2012, 14:48   #19
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So I'm reading an employee handbook today and find this under the heading of "Prohibited Conduct"
"Possessing firearms or other weapons on company property, including parking lots, unless specifically permitted in accordance with state law."

So since I possess a HCP does that allow me "specifically permitted in accordance with state law"?

I seem to think so
But what matters is...Does the Company think so...

Best to check with the HR person at the company.
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Old 03-28-2012, 19:56   #20
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Employer bans you from carrying even though you have a CCW license. Ok, then IF a mad person kills you and the employer did not have armed security on site, can your family sue the employer. I mean, the employer stripped you of your second amendment rights and at the same time not doing the reasonable alternative and hire armed security guards?
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