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Old 03-30-2012, 13:39   #1
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Canned sweetened condensed milk for longterm storage

A while back I saw somehwere on the net that canned sweetened condensed milk would be a great prep food. It was also noted that since its canned that the shelf life should be "indefinite", as with most other canned foods, when properly canned and stored.

I recently I tried using my google fu to confirm this, but alas it failed me this time.

Does anyone else have thoughts on this for longterm storage? It should be like any other canned food right? maybe some breakdown in taste, color, texture, and nutritional value, but nothing unsafe about it?

One 12 oz can has 1300 calories too!!!!!!!!!

I know someone may pipe in with a powdered milk recomendation so I should go ahead and make this note now: In general I try to stay away from any food that requires water for rehydration. Water is a scarace resource where I live so I am counting on most of my stored water for drinking. I have mostly canned "wet" foods with the exception of some rice.

Thanks for everyones help.

PS: I am on the early part of my learning curve but i know most of the basics about food storage, so lets leave that for another thread (there are plenty out there and I've read lots of them).
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Old 03-30-2012, 15:30   #2
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According to Bradley's Handbook 2nd ed, canned condensed milk has a shelf life of 1 year, and powdered nonfat for 6 months. (page 47)

According to Bradley's, your longest shelf-life basics are:
Cocoa
Corn Syrup
Canned Fish
Molasses
Pasta
White Rice
Granulated Sugar

The Urban Survival site lists “11 Foods That Last Forever”:

Corn starch
Corn syrup
Hard liquor
Hardtack
Honey
Salt
Soy sauce
Sugar
Vanilla extract
White Rice
White Vinegar.
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Old 03-30-2012, 15:32   #3
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We keep a combo of condensed milk & powdered milk on hand. I've read that the condensed milk will eventually thicken and turn a caramel color, but that it is still ok to eat. The change is apparently due to a chemical reaction between the sugar and the protein in the milk.
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Old 03-30-2012, 16:53   #4
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We store cases of evaporated milk.it stores well and has a ton of uses.'08.
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Old 03-30-2012, 17:25   #5
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I don't think I would trust cans of condensed milk to keep for 5 or 10 years like most prepping foods. Hopefully you can rotate stock.

http://shelflifeadvice.com/dairy/milk/special-types

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We store cases of evaporated milk.it stores well and has a ton of uses.'08.
We also store evaporated milk. It does have lots of uses as it is essentially just milk with about half the water removed. I'm not sure what sweetened condensed milk is used for, but I know it has lots of sugar added to it which is why the calorie count is so high.
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Old 03-30-2012, 20:32   #7
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The sweetened condensed SHOULD last longer--that was why they added the sugar in the first place, to preserve it like jelly (or honey). I found a couple cans in the corner of the pantry that missed rotation, they were fine long after the date-YMMV.
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I've said it before "dates" on cans are suggestions.I had a can of Lucks pintos and beans dated 04 tonight for dinner with polska kiebalsa.Good ta go.'08.
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Old 03-30-2012, 22:45   #9
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I've said it before "dates" on cans are suggestions.I had a can of Lucks pintos and beans dated 04 tonight for dinner with polska kiebalsa.Good ta go.'08.
NO.

Not this time!

Almost anything else, YES.

But not evaporated milk.

I will never buy canned evaporated milk again. Does spoil too easy.

WAAAAAYYyyyyyyyyyyyyy much more success with powedered milk. Much easier to store, long LONG term. Less intense rotation demand, very satisfied.

The canned stuff just doesnt cut the mustard for long term.

Had too many cans spoil on me far earlier than expected. Problems, AVOID.

Powdered milk mo betta. Really.

And that comment above about canned lasting a year and powdered 6 months?

Just the opposite. Only better, I had a +2 year date on powdered milk fresh off the supermarket shelf. I've had canned milk go nasty in less than a year.

I think the powdered remains relatively inert as long as moisture doesn't get to it to activate it. I'd still turn it over, but a year or two no problem, I will use as backfill when I run short on fresh moo juice.

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With respect,your wrong.I just used a can of evap milk from 89.Quality of storage is key.Cool and dry is the the mantra.Used it for coffee,had a few guests and no probs.We do stock powdered milk,it requires water.Canned milk don't.

BTW folks,we got a deep 3 version well that provides all the water we need.Why the hell would we add an requirement ta stress it more.We use evap for baking/coffee/mac and cheese..'08.
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interesting mix of responses here. pretty much represents the cross section of what i found out on the net.

a couple of key points. I am talking about sweetened condensed milk, not evaporated milk. there are key differences between the two products. also, i am talking about food safety, not taste.

based on what I have read the minimum recommended shelf life seems to be 1-2 years. I am thinking I should be good to go for at least 5 years, maybe 10. I am not planning on enormous stockpiles or anything, so i guess i will give it a shot and check back in in 5 years!
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NO.

Not this time!

Almost anything else, YES.

But not evaporated milk.

I will never buy canned evaporated milk again. Does spoil too easy.

WAAAAAYYyyyyyyyyyyyyy much more success with powedered milk. Much easier to store, long LONG term. Less intense rotation demand, very satisfied.

The canned stuff just doesnt cut the mustard for long term.

Had too many cans spoil on me far earlier than expected. Problems, AVOID.

Powdered milk mo betta. Really.

And that comment above about canned lasting a year and powdered 6 months?

Just the opposite. Only better, I had a +2 year date on powdered milk fresh off the supermarket shelf. I've had canned milk go nasty in less than a year.

I think the powdered remains relatively inert as long as moisture doesn't get to it to activate it. I'd still turn it over, but a year or two no problem, I will use as backfill when I run short on fresh moo juice.
how did you know it spoiled? did you get sick? did it really spoil or did it just look different and taste a little different? I am really trying to distinguish between spoilage and other changes in the product so please let me know what you mean here.

Also, the sugar in sweetened condensed milk should make the shelf life longer than evaporated milk. Just saying....

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With respect,your wrong.I just used a can of evap milk from 89.Quality of storage is key.Cool and dry is the the mantra.
Nope. Practical experience. Several times. Done with it.

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BTW folks,we got a deep 3 version well that provides all the water we need.Why the hell would we add an requirement ta stress it more.
First, if you 've got 3 deep wells that provide all you need, it doesnt sound like a can of water is gonna stress it too much.
I mean, if an extra can of water is gonna "stress" your wells, you might have other problems.

Storing wetpack anything is actually pretty inefficient. I keep it in for conventional use purposes and as a starting point. The real muscle in endurance should be my dry stores. powdered milk comports well with that.
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how did you know it spoiled? did you get sick? did it really spoil or did it just look different and taste a little different? I am really trying to distinguish between spoilage and other changes in the product so please let me know what you mean here.

Also, the sugar in sweetened condensed milk should make the shelf life longer than evaporated milk. Just saying....
Nasty, putrid, almost vomit inducing like real spoiled milk.

Not sure whether it was sweetened. Carnation brand, I believe.

Powdered is so much easier to handle an also more space efficient. More of it, for longer.
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G29, maybe it just a bit of lactose intelorance due to the richness? Even if the flavor is 'off' it can still be used for breadmaking and it other recipes.

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My experience with evaporated milk is similar to G29's. Don't buy it any longer.
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G29, maybe it just a bit of lactose intelorance due to the richness?
"Nasty, putrid, and vomit inducing" seems to indicate we're a bit beyond lactose intolerance...that sounds like genuine spoilt milk to me.

I'm still puzzled as to why dried nonfat milk gets an expiry date of 6 months...why? It's dry, what's to go bad? (I see it gets up to 2 yrs at shelflifeadvice, maybe the source is just wrong.)
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My experience with evaporated milk is similar to G29's. Don't buy it any longer.
We need to be very clear about if we're talking about condensed milk vs. sweetened evaporated milk. Two totally different things.
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"Nasty, putrid, and vomit inducing" seems to indicate we're a bit beyond lactose intolerance...that sounds like genuine spoilt milk to me.

I'm still puzzled as to why dried nonfat milk gets an expiry date of 6 months...why? It's dry, what's to go bad? (I see it gets up to 2 yrs at shelflifeadvice, maybe the source is just wrong.)
Not stored oxygen-free.

Even LDS pantry #10 cans don't have long life. Milk is the perfect growing medium, not quite perfect w/o the fat, but still really easy to grow bad stuff.
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We need to be very clear about if we're talking about condensed milk vs. sweetened evaporated milk. Two totally different things.
Actually, it is evaporated milk vs. sweetened condensed milk. And the two are not all that different. Evaporated milk has additional treatment to prevent spoilage due to the lack of added sugar which as has been noted retards spoilage.

My question remains what one does with sweetened condensed milk in a SHTF situation. It is not a good direct substitute for milk due to the massive sugar content. Normally, it is most commonly used for making desserts.

Evaporated milk OTH is basically just milk with about half the water removed so it can be used in any way that fresh milk can be used, particularly if water is added to reduce the thickness.

The shelf life of both types of milk is probably similar since evaporated milk undergoes processes to prevent bacteria growth that condensed milk does not.

Either way, I do think that dry milk is a better long term solution to milk storage. We keep both evaporated and dry milk and our stores. If you don't have sufficient water to reconstitute the dry or evaporated milk, you should be looking to your water solutions as they are probably lacking.
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Actually, it is evaporated milk vs. sweetened condensed milk. And the two are not all that different. Evaporated milk has additional treatment to prevent spoilage due to the lack of added sugar which as has been noted retards spoilage.

Huh

My question remains what one does with sweetened condensed milk in a SHTF situation. It is not a good direct substitute for milk due to the massive sugar content. Normally, it is most commonly used for making desserts.

Heat =s Dulce Leche = Calories.

Evaporated milk OTH is basically just milk with about half the water removed so it can be used in any way that fresh milk can be used, particularly if water is added to reduce the thickness.

Scrambled eggs or pancakes/cornbread/bread/mac@cheese/powdered/ect.

The shelf life of both types of milk is probably similar since evaporated milk undergoes processes to prevent bacteria growth that condensed milk does not.

Either way, I do think that dry milk is a better long term solution to milk storage. We keep both evaporated and dry milk and our stores. If you don't have sufficient water to reconstitute the dry or evaporated milk, you should be looking to your water solutions as they are probably lacking.
How does one "reconstitute", "evaporated" milk.

We are water wealthy.Not being a S/A,just curious.'08.
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"Nasty, putrid, and vomit inducing" seems to indicate we're a bit beyond lactose intolerance...that sounds like genuine spoilt milk to me.

I'm still puzzled as to why dried nonfat milk gets an expiry date of 6 months...why? It's dry, what's to go bad? (I see it gets up to 2 yrs at shelflifeadvice, maybe the source is just wrong.)

i gotta look at the source you quote, as the last LTS thread you were asking questions the numbers were way off.The again some of the food FAQ's out there make no sense at all vs real world info/testing/info.

dried milk stored right or hell not right. will last a while.
We canned( have a buddy who used to pack and sell LTS so he had a canner and #10's) some of the cheap wally mart single pack dried milk bags , dropped in a O2 , and shoved it in a shed(outdoors). Then when we moved, set it indoors with the rest of our #10's.
4 years stored like that and 4+ yrs past the "best by" date on the bags.
not one thing wrong.

sorry for the derail into dried milk. But for prep foods, i would go dried goods all the way and wet packs as supplement/starting point ( like posted above).
Water is key,so if that is an a issue, no matter how many wet packs you got eventually your gonna need h20.I would concentrate on that.
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What about this powdered milk? says ten year shelf life.

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How does one "reconstitute", "evaporated" milk.

We are water wealthy.Not being a S/A,just curious.'08.
Okay, so strictly speaking it is not reconstituting. My only point was that evaporated milk has had half or more of the water removed, so for some applications, it is better to add the water back in. If you don't have sufficient water to do that, you've bigger problems than the shelf life of canned milk.
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