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Old 04-02-2012, 11:23   #1
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Supreme Court: Strip searches, even for minor offenses

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/20...minor-offenses
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:26   #2
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:34   #4
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This is only for jailers.

Its not like it can happen by the side of the road for a traffic tickets...
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Old 04-02-2012, 11:47   #5
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The court also noted that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, was initially arrested for not having a license plate on his car and that one of the 9/11 terrorists was stopped and ticketed for speeding just two days before hijacking Flight 93. "People detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals," the court said.
So, we're all guilty of something bigger when stopped, until we prove we're not? Sounds kind of backwards to me.
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So, we're all guilty of something bigger when stopped, until we prove we're not? Sounds kind of backwards to me.

It's still pretty simple. Don't get arrested or go to jail, and you won't get strip searched.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:05   #7
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It's still pretty simple. Don't get arrested or go to jail, and you won't get strip searched.
Well, how are we supposed to account for MISTAKES made by the government?
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Albert Florence was arrested by a state trooper because of an error in the state's records that mistakenly said he was wanted on an outstanding warrant for an unpaid fine. Even if the warrant had been valid, failure to pay a fine is not a crime in New Jersey.Florence was held for a week in two different jails before the charges were dropped. But at each jail, he was required to shower with delousing soap and undergo a strip search.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:09   #8
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It's still pretty simple. Don't get arrested or go to jail, and you won't get strip searched.
Except the guy in this story didn't do anything to get arrested.

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Old 04-02-2012, 12:18   #9
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Well, they might as well make it an x-ray. We've seen from earlier posted articles that a 5 inch K-frame S&W can be held up the old poop shoot during a squat and cough.
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Well, how are we supposed to account for MISTAKES made by the government?

You are correct mistakes will happen. Innocent people will still get arrested, jailed, and even convicted. That shouldn't stop the jail facilities from what the court has deemed to be reasonable searches in such situations.

Would you also argue that pockets shouldn't be emptied or the requirement to remove shoe laces and belts at the holding facilities be halted after an arrest as well?
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Well, how are we supposed to account for MISTAKES made by the government?
Don't pay a fine and eventually it'll become a Contempt of Court warrant.

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This is only for jailers.

Its not like it can happen by the side of the road for a traffic tickets...
...yet.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:43   #13
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I think the point Breyer may not understand is that a guy who goes to jail and gets in a weapon or drugs, isn't in a cell alone once he goes to general population. I shoplifter with a hidden knife now means a jail population with murderers and rapists and bank robbers has a hidden knife (or whatever). Jails are even less secure and less segregated by offense and dangerousness than prisons.

The current charge against the prisoner is irrelevant to what he can smuggle in, or how dangerous he is. I've arrested murderers for DUI and public intoxication (even an "axe murderer" once and an accomplice to killing a police officer another time).
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Well, how are we supposed to account for MISTAKES made by the government?
We have a legal system that lets him sue somebody and get some money for the horror of having to take off his clothes. Heck, when the Army made me strip to jocket shorts and do all sorts of crazy exercises in a room with 20 other guys and a female doctor watching, then had her give me a prostate exam, I didn't get to sue anybody...or really care, for that matter.

Some people are way too delicate.
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This is only for jailers.

Its not like it can happen by the side of the road for a traffic tickets...
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...yet.

Expect traffic stops and profiling to change dramatically when it does..
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The court also noted that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, was initially arrested for not having a license plate on his car and that one of the 9/11 terrorists was stopped and ticketed for speeding just two days before hijacking Flight 93. "People detained for minor offenses can turn out to be the most devious and dangerous criminals," the court said.
This is precisely why so many things are illegal in this country. They don't want anyone to escape the net. If your masters decide they want to strip you naked, they'll already have a reason to detain you, no matter how hard you try to play by the rules.
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This is a totally disgusting ruling. . . Just yesterday I was pulled over for a minor traffic infraction and the lady cop strip searched me. .

But I got a photo of her with my cell phone and I'm going to report her to the departments internal affairs division. .

If you see this lady, don't let her get her hands on you. .

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Don't pay a fine and eventually it'll become a Contempt of Court warrant.

Basic 101.
Not true. In both states Ive lived in (VA and NC), failure to pay a fine leads to DL suspension but nothing further from the courts and certainly not an arrest warrant.
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This is a totally disgusting ruling. . . Just yesterday I was pulled over for a minor traffic infraction and the lady cop strip searched me. .

But I got a photo of her with my cell phone and I'm going to report her to the departments internal affairs division. .

If you see this lady, don't let her get her hands on you. .

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I thought if you were a prisoner, that you didn’t have any Rights.

How can the Strip Search be a violation of his Rights, if he doesn’t have Rights at the time of him being in jail?
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