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Old 04-07-2012, 11:22   #1
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Kraft Drops Conservative Lobbying Group Over Voter ID, stand your ground

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/kraf...r-ground-laws/
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:27   #2
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Won't be buying Kraft.
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:38   #3
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Won't be buying Kraft.
Try Sargento.
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:38   #4
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Won't be buying Kraft.
Add me to that list.
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Old 04-07-2012, 11:50   #5
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Try Sargento.
Hell, I like Sargentos better anyway.
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Old 04-07-2012, 13:07   #7
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I don't buy many Kraft products anyway so it'll be easy to cut them completely out.
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Old 04-07-2012, 14:37   #8
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Voter I.D. is a good idea. But the stand your ground law is just dumb. Like it or not, it should have been written by someone who actually knew how to write a law that was not going to play into the hands of left-wing extremist. It should not have been so stupidly titled. But given that it was written to play to particular political interest and not to actually address a real need, it was titled as it was titled. Now... everyone gets to live with the extremely bad results.
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Old 04-07-2012, 15:49   #10
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Voter I.D. is a good idea. But the stand your ground law is just dumb. Like it or not, it should have been written by someone who actually knew how to write a law that was not going to play into the hands of left-wing extremist. It should not have been so stupidly titled. But given that it was written to play to particular political interest and not to actually address a real need, it was titled as it was titled. Now... everyone gets to live with the extremely bad results.

So you don't have a problem throwing us under the bus? The enemies we have in our ranks.

**** the left wing extremists.

Stand your ground is a term the media gave it. It's nothing more than an extention of Castle Doctrine that removes the duty to retreat when defending yourself if you are in a place you have a right to lawfully be. Sometimes there isn't a retreat option.
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Old 04-07-2012, 15:55   #11
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And I shouldn't have to. If my property, person or family is being threatened then it's within my power to do what I can to protect them. Not run away. That only empowers the predators. Police can't always be there at the drop of a hat. My .45 can.
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Old 04-07-2012, 16:14   #12
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I like my Mac & Cheese so it is not going anywhere out of my house.

Are Coke & Pepsi on the boycott list as well with everyone who is boycotting Kraft?
I could give up Diet Coke & Diet Pepsi, but not the sugary stuff

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Old 04-07-2012, 17:01   #14
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I like my Mac & Cheese so it is not going anywhere out of my house.

Are Coke & Pepsi on the boycott list as well with everyone who is boycotting Kraft?
I could give up Diet Coke & Diet Pepsi, but not the sugary stuff
Homemade is better anyway.
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Buy some cheddar, some milk, some generic macaroni noodles and make your own Mac'N'Cheese. Cheaper and tastier.
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Old 04-07-2012, 20:18   #16
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As odd as it sounds I prefer the dang Kraft blue boxed mac & cheese over any other. With lots of salt and milk in it. I know, it's weird
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But the stand your ground law is just dumb. Like it or not, it should have been written by someone who actually knew how to write a law that was not going to play into the hands of left-wing extremist. It should not have been so stupidly titled.
The Florida law you are talking about is titled Chapter 776 Justifiable Use of Force. It was the public and the press who dubbed it "stand your ground law", not the legislator who wrote it.

The text of the law says "A person [...] has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force [...]". What exactly do you think is wrong with that sentence, and how would you phrase it better?
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As odd as it sounds I prefer the dang Kraft blue boxed mac & cheese over any other. With lots of salt and milk in it. I know, it's weird
Ditch the processed food and save it for your SHTF supplies. You'll thank me for it someday.
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Ditch the processed food and save it for your SHTF supplies. You'll thank me for it someday.
I won'y be able to make it without milk so after the SHTF it will be useless

Besides Dec 21st we all die anyways

Honestly I am not a prepper so I am all about the now!

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So you don't have a problem throwing us under the bus? The enemies we have in our ranks.

**** the left wing extremists.

Stand your ground is a term the media gave it. It's nothing more than an extention of Castle Doctrine that removes the duty to retreat when defending yourself if you are in a place you have a right to lawfully be. Sometimes there isn't a retreat option.
I am not impressed with the law. It's that simple. I do not consider that everyone needs to go running around with a gun on their hip or in their pocket quivering in fear that someone might rob them, etc., etc., etc. I think the law was written to gain political support not address a real and present danger.

Duty to retreat? Only a absolute complete fool would not seek to remove themselves from a altercation. I can see no being expected to seek to leave if you are in your home. I cannot see someone thinking they can just pull a gun and blast someone simply because that person got in their face and made them "afraid." That's the psuedologic now being used by a killer to excuse his killing a boy walking home with a bag of candy and a drink. It just doesn't wash at all.
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