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Old 09-15-2012, 07:23   #26
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If I had a Glock .45 to go along with my G17 9mm, I'd carry the .45 in my VT winters, and the 9mm in the warmer months.
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Old 09-15-2012, 12:29   #27
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Actually, according to Kahr's website the P45 has a 3.54" barrel. It is the PM45 that has a 3.24" barrel. That might make a difference, albeit only about 1/4 inch, but still.
You are correct the P45 has a 3.5" barrel and it was a typo on my part. I am not saying the 45 is not effective at shorter barrel lengths, but it has been my experience that you may have expansion diffculties below 4". I Chronographed the BB and Corbon 185 +p copper bullets and DT 160gr +p copper bulllet out of my 3.5" Kahr. BB was 1,036fps, Corbon was 954fps and the DT was 1,042fps. All expanded and seem to penetrate well. These are the bullets I would use with a barrel below 4".

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Old 01-26-2013, 20:08   #28
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a short bbl .45acp benefits greatly from the lighter weight loads which retain a higher velocity.

a 230gr. round going 850fps from a 5" might only get 750fps from a 3.5" bbl which may or may not be enough for proper and consistant expansion.

while a 185gr. round going 1000 fps from a 5" bbl may still get 900 fps from a 3.5" bbl.
That may be true, but the 230 does not rely on velocity as much to work. What really matters is which one expands to the largest diameter when penetrating 12-18 inches. Assuming that is the 185 is pure speculation and there is no reason to assume it is the answer.

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Old 01-26-2013, 20:22   #29
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230 +P in either HST or Ranger-T series will do just fine from the short barrel.

The standard pressure version of the above isn't far behind, even from the short barrel. I personally prefer the +P ammo from the short barrel gun as long as it's still controllable.
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Old 01-26-2013, 20:36   #30
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Just because you have a short tube in a 45acp, does not mean you have to start using 180gr'ers to get more horse power to do the job. Good greif this gun /caliber was desinged around a 230gr bullet. Use it. Get the momentum and penetration you need to have out of your 45's. I have never seen so many folks buy a 45acp and then drop down to the 185gr bullet. Why not stick with the 230gr and get the hard hit and the needed penetration. The short barrels will still do fine with the 230gr I assure you.



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I have an XDs and it will get a diet of 230 HPs, because it doesn't need the velocity to do what it's good at. I figure the HP has a profile that is more likely to cut than slip through and if it were to have enough velocity to "Over penetrate" it would probably have the velocity to expand and not over penetrate.
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Old 01-27-2013, 17:55   #31
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230 grains is why I love the .45 to begin with. All the smaller cartridges rely on velocity and pushing the limits to do what the .45 does without breaking a sweat.

Even when you push it up a notch with .45 +P, it's still not breaking a sweat and it's performance has no equal with anything but the most powerful handgun cartridges.

Needless to say, I'm very happy with the .45 and the 230 grain bullet.
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Old 01-27-2013, 18:28   #32
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I have an XDs and it will get a diet of 230 HPs, because it doesn't need the velocity to do what it's good at. I figure the HP has a profile that is more likely to cut than slip through and if it were to have enough velocity to "Over penetrate" it would probably have the velocity to expand and not over penetrate.
I reckon I am not PC savvy enough to know what "QFT" means yet ... haha !

If your saying that 45's don't have to run at rocket speed to dispatch the target or threat (two legged) your correct. And the 230gr have the momentum to get where they need to go.

Thats why "in town," I carry one. Usually the M1911, sometimes the single stack G36. I admit I do hand load my own for the G36, because I have never found factory stuff that get's out of the 600's-700's fps range in that 3.78" tube, so I load a 230gr XTP at 907fps. Does it it need to be that warm? nope. Does it hurt to be? Nope! It is what my favorite load and powder worked out to be in that short barrel, so I gladly accept it ! I'm happy with that. 850 + is fine with me in a 230gr 45acp. I just can't justify lighter bullets in this caliber to get there.

Like you, it seems, are saying pard, the 230gr does what it needs to do without going to lighter bullets, or pushing it to outragous vels.





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Old 01-29-2013, 07:35   #33
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Stay with the .45 ACP. It is the caliber that the .357 tries hard to expand up to.
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