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Old 04-26-2012, 09:06   #301
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If people spent as much venom on Barry and Mittens as they do on Ted, perhaps our country would be in better shape right now.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:23   #302
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If people spent as much venom on Barry and Mittens as they do on Ted, perhaps our country would be in better shape right now.
Would that mean that if Ted directed venom at Romney instead of endorsing him the country would be better off?
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:26   #303
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Plenty of recent legislation suggests the opposite of your assertion. WI's passing of CCW permitting after a LONG history of it being shot down being just one example.
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And we just got concealed carry in national parks. In Virginia we were going full throttle getting better gun laws until the republicans pulled a fast one to block any new pro-gun laws.
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And MS recently assed and implemented an enhanced permit that allows holders to carry in schools, state facilities and churches among other places. Basically everywhere except where federal law has precidence and court while in session.
There again, these are nothing but table scraps. You guys are happy with this due to your previously neutered state. You think you've gained something here when in reality it should never have been denied in the first place. When all the GCA's have been repealed, then and only then will I consider it a victory and we are back to an equilibrium.

And back on topic, Ted understands and espouses this.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:29   #304
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Ted Nugent's support of Romney

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I do think his support of Romney is indeed outrageous and must be addressed.
You'd better support Romney, or else Oblunder will get reelected and your Second Amendment rights are very likely to disappear, quickly. I'm absolutely no lover of Mitt Romney, but the plain truth is: there is NO ONE ELSE who has ANY chance at defeating Oblunder in November. That should be our main and overwhelming goal. Barry Oblunder and his Socialist collective are anti-gun in the extreme and, God forbid, if he gets reelected, he'll install so many leftists in the Supreme Court that our rights will be all but worthless for generations to come.
These people have exactly zero respect for our Constitution, and they are corrupt and live by the power of Chicago thug politics. Witness the fact that Kagan refused to recuse herself from the Obamacare hearings, even though she meets every criteria that requires a Supreme Court Justice to recuse themselves from a case. Whatever Ted said, it's nothing in the big picture - the one where Barry and his Socialist and Communist sycophants finish their goal of bankrupting our country so that Oblunder can institute his 'executive order' of March 12, 2012, which gives him personal and absolute control over every natural resource, energy source, foodstuff, and everything else that exists in this country, without ANY Senate or Congressional oversight or approval allowed. If that happens, he'll be the "American" version of North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un.
If you want your kids and grandkids to be slaves to the state, let these meaningless issues take your mind off of the MOST important goal that ANY true Patriotic American citizen could have at this time, i.e. the defeat of Socialism in America.
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Says the guy voting for Mittens.




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If people spent as much venom on Barry and Mittens as they do on Ted, perhaps our country would be in better shape right now.
Since Ted is endorsing Mittens I would guess that Ted is also voting for Mittens. So voting for Mittens is worth ridiculing when JBnTX does it. Okay. Is endorsing and voting for Mittens still worthy of ridicule if Ted Nugent does it Fred?
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There again, these are nothing but table scraps. You guys are happy with this due to your previously neutered state. You think you've gained something here when in reality it should never have been denied in the first place. When all the GCA's have been repealed, then and only then will I consider it a victory and we are back to an equilibrium.

And back on topic, Ted understands and espouses this.
By endorsing Romney.
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By endorsing Romney.
Who would you rather him endorse?
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Who would you rather him endorse?
We're screwed either way. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of you pointing fingers at others for accepting "table scraps" when your hero Ted has very clearly made his own compromises by endorsing the Governor who willingly signed the extension of the MA AWB and supported the Brady Bill as well as supported the Clinton AWB.


No compromise huh F_G? BS.
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The NRA is too compromising now, they want "cooperation" with the government instead of actually fighting for your rights like they used to.

I won't send them my money, let alone an email about one of their members.
Just remember that the NRA is the ONE and ONLY reason that you still have a right to even own a firearm. The NRA has been the sponsor of every meaningful Supreme Court case that has affirmed our gun rights, and they have spent millions over the years to protect YOUR rights. Some of their decisions may be questionable, but, without the NRA, we wouldn't have our AR's or our semi-auto handguns. As a matter of fact, we'd be lucky to even have ANY civilian gun ownership rights. Never forget that the number of voters that comprise the NRA have controlled many, if not every, bill from the politicians that had any impact on gun ownership. If you won't send any money to the NRA, who will you send money to support your 2nd amendment rights? Let the NRA die, and your 2nd amendment rights will die along with it. If you think that some of these other new groups will defend you in the Supreme Court, you're sadly mistaken. They simply don't have enough members. Disown the NRA at your own peril.
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Just remember that the NRA is the ONE and ONLY reason that you still have a right to even own a firearm. The NRA has been the sponsor of every meaningful Supreme Court case that has affirmed our gun rights, and they have spent millions over the years to protect YOUR rights. Some of their decisions may be questionable, but, without the NRA, we wouldn't have our AR's or our semi-auto handguns. As a matter of fact, we'd be lucky to even have ANY civilian gun ownership rights. Never forget that the number of voters that comprise the NRA have controlled many, if not every, bill from the politicians that had any impact on gun ownership. If you won't send any money to the NRA, who will you send money to support your 2nd amendment rights? Let the NRA die, and your 2nd amendment rights will die along with it. If you think that some of these other new groups will defend you in the Supreme Court, you're sadly mistaken. They simply don't have enough members. Disown the NRA at your own peril.
One point that I believe you are overlooking is that the Second Amendment Foundation does actively work in the courts, often with positive results. Other than that I agree with your post.
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:46   #311
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When all the GCA's have been repealed, then and only then will I consider it a victory and we are back to an equilibrium.
Then nothing will ever be positive for you as long as you live.

You go ahead and continue to be mad that the pro-gun law changes we get are not good enough for you.

Ever consider moving to Somalia or someplace like that?
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Mitt Romney Talks Guns On Meet The Press - YouTube

And I particularly like how he says his assault weapons ban was supported by and good for, gun owners.
You can skip to about 1:15 if you like.
Anything a little more recent? Since this is from 2007, do you know if it is the same? Yep, people can change their minds. Call it what you want, but I bet you have an opinion that has changed within th elast 5 years.

Actually, his AWB relaxed some of the restraints; if he hadn't, the state would have kept the more restrictive regs or had even more restrictions for Mass. It's called compromise.....that is politics. Perhaps a little gain is better than nothing?



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Then nothing will ever be positive for you as long as you live.

You go ahead and continue to be mad that the pro-gun law changes we get are not good enough for you.

Ever consider moving to Somalia or someplace like that?
Not mad, just not satisfied. You all sit back and pat each other on the back for these "victories".

I lead a very happy and satisfying life, just not willing to so easily concede that this is all I'm gonna' get. If you're happy with this pittance, then good for you. Just try and stay out of the way when those of us not satisfied come rumbling through.
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We're screwed either way. I was pointing out the hypocrisy of you pointing fingers at others for accepting "table scraps" when your hero Ted has very clearly made his own compromises by endorsing the Governor who willingly signed the extension of the MA AWB and supported the Brady Bill as well as supported the Clinton AWB.


No compromise huh F_G? BS.
Actually, not being completely privy to Mr. Nugents prior endorsements I will have to get back to you on this one.

Did he begin by endorsing Governor Romney? Or has he offered his endorsement after it is clear he will receive the Republican nomination? If you can provide an honest answer devoid of hyperbole and BS as you like to state, then feel free to set me straight on this.

And no, I do not compromise on things within my control, I do not compromise my beliefs or convictions. You?
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There again, these are nothing but table scraps. You guys are happy with this due to your previously neutered state.
I don't think you can really speak for my thoughts. Don't paint me as a sheep just because I don't rabidly immerse myself in gun control issues. My life is such that I have other things to worry about.

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You think you've gained something here when in reality it should never have been denied in the first place.
Sure, they shouldn't have been, but that's not where we are at. Rather than complain about the way things were compared to how they currently are, be happy that we can get some pro-2A legislation.

They are steps forward regardless of what you say.

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And this will never happen. It's a nice thought, but it's not reality.
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Anything a little more recent? Since this is from 2007, do you know if it is the same? Yep, people can change their minds. Call it what you want, but I bet you have an opinion that has changed within th elast 5 years.

Actually, his AWB relaxed some of the restraints; if he hadn't, the state would have kept the more restrictive regs or had even more restrictions for Mass. It's called compromise.....that is politics. Perhaps a little gain is better than nothing?



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That's all I've seen recently. I get the feeling he has become very quiet about this.
I get what you are saying, but I still think he is anti-2nd amendment by nature. And is only different when he is forced to be.
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And no, I do not compromise on things within my control, I do not compromise my beliefs or convictions. You?
No. When Bill Clinton was castigated for dodging the draft I thought it was scummy behavior. I don't approve of it now just because Nugent is the dodger being discussed.
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When all the GCA's have been repealed, then and only then will I consider it a victory and we are back to an equilibrium.
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And this will never happen. It's a nice thought, but it's not reality.
This is where you and I differ, you say never, I say possible. I'm guessing you know your limitations, good for you.


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Ever consider moving to Somalia or someplace like that?
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That's all I've seen recently. I get the feeling he has become very quiet about this.
I get what you are saying, but I still think he is anti-2nd amendment by nature. And is only different when he is forced to be.
You're probably right, he has remained quite. However, Mass is a small state; the US is a lot larger and more conservative. My guess is he is pro 2A, but with limits, like most North East politicians are. IMHO, I doubt he is as radical as King Obama is.

Unlike King Obama, who has made subtle gestures about more regulations on firearms, i.e. his last budget he presented to congress that didn't get passed.

So, this the choice; the lessor of two evils: King Obama with a very liberal mindset, or a Mass Governor with moderate mindset.

Now, how does this tie with Teddy boy.....well, he is the weight at the other end of the Board of Directors, to provide balance..to help keep the other end (including Romney) somewhat honest. My view of the board of directors is it seems a little out of site, out of mind. It is my humble opinion, that is Romney attemps to institute further firearms regulation, it will be met with a fury of "NO's". Although Teddy has a polarizing personna; if needed, he could mount a furious activity against any future gun control with the masses; subsequently, defeating a potential Romney request.

Bottom line.....Romney is more controllable than KO, especially with Teddy out there on the Board.



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Given his questionable statements, and his "strectching" of game laws, Ted should go. Send a simple email to your NRA field rep asking the NRA to do something to distance itself from the Nuge. This years NRA convention was the best ever, until Ted opened his mouth.

We now have a "spokesman" that has special friends in the secret service, and can't hunt on federal land, or in Alaska, for the next year.

A distraction and liability we don't need in 2012. Maybe he can insult stay at home moms next.
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