GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 04-24-2012, 15:11   #1
DOC44
Senior Member
 
DOC44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 10,931
Dershowitz: Zimmerman prosecutors should be investigated

Quote:
Dershowitz said he believes the Florida prosecution, may be guilty of committing an ethical violation, and potentially may have committed a criminal act by charging Zimmerman with second degree murder. If the prosecution had access to a photograph showing the bloodied head of Mr. Zimmerman, taken immediately after the incident on February 26, there was no basis for a second degree murder charge, according to Dershowitz. If it were proven that the prosecution had access to the photograph, and filed a second degree murder charge anyway, Dershowitz believes they may be guilty of subornation of perjury which is a very serious charge.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ders...a-criminal-act


Doc44
__________________
Have Gun Will Travel

Last edited by DOC44; 04-24-2012 at 15:15..
DOC44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2012, 15:40   #2
cowboywannabe
you savvy?
 
cowboywannabe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: on a planet near you
Posts: 21,888
um yeah, sure. riiiiight.

zimmerman has the political and racist machines against him, both of which supercede the law.
__________________
with Sarah Jane, Leela, Romana, Nyssa, and Tegan.

Facts are no match against enthusiasm and ignorance...
cowboywannabe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2012, 16:15   #3
jtull7
Pistolero
 
jtull7's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Santa Fe, New Mexico
Posts: 6,840
Ah, Dershowitz. He is an absolute bomb-throwing liberal and media-hound, who can always be counted upon to give a radical sound-bite or quote.

BTW, prosecutors in most states have almost iron-clad immunity for actions they take in the scope of their duties. If not, every indicted person would try to bring a civil suit, claim ethics violations, and trying to bring criminal charges. Dershowitz knows this quite well.
__________________
Cocked, locked, and ready to rock!

Every day I face Ogden, Utah, and pray that God might bless John Moses Browning.

Outpost Member #69 I collect and shoot many fine firearms. CCW: NM, CT, and NH. N5JHT. WFR. Former LEO. SAR. Bilateral trans-tibial amputee. Survivor of bubonic plague. Tough sum-*****.
jtull7 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-24-2012, 17:24   #4
G29Reload
Tread Lightly
 
G29Reload's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 12,381
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtull7 View Post
Ah, Dershowitz. He is an absolute bomb-throwing liberal and media-hound, who can always be counted upon to give a radical sound-bite or quote.
This is usually true, but in this case he's on the right side.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jtull7 View Post
BTW, prosecutors in most states have almost iron-clad immunity for actions they take in the scope of their duties.
There are still ethical standards that need to be adhered to.
G29Reload is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 03:53   #5
Brucev
Senior Member
 
Brucev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,189
Dershowitz is a the epitome of all that together is the most extreme negative stereotype of a lawyer. It is not possible to consider anything he says about anything to be anything but a waste of time.
Brucev is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 04:26   #6
Bren
NRA Life Member
 
Bren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 36,400
The prosecutor has done some questionable things, but I don't see anything likely to get a prosecutor in trouble in the real world.

Want an example? A very well known KY prosecutor: (
) is going to be on Investigation Discovery Thursday night (http://www.kentucky.com/2012/04/24/2...-featured.html) about a very high profile murder case here (U.K. Wildcat football player murdered). After the trial, it came to light that an FBI lab tech had lied about firearm/ammo evidence during the initial trial and the prosecutor knew about it and kept it quiet.

He's as popular as ever and the worst thing that happened to him or anybody in his office was the judge talking mean to them.

Should be an interesting show.

I say again, the first lawyer somebody needs to deal with in the Zimmerman case, on ethical issues, in Benjamin Crump.
__________________
Quote:
This is the internet, where you could pretend to be anything you want; so how come so many people on this forum pretend to be limpwristed sissies?
- Me, 2014.
Bren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 04:32   #7
Bren
NRA Life Member
 
Bren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 36,400
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brucev View Post
Dershowitz is a the epitome of all that together is the most extreme negative stereotype of a lawyer. It is not possible to consider anything he says about anything to be anything but a waste of time.
I think that's a little over the top, even from my point of view. My office (not me, personally) has had a case against him, coming out of the "innocence project" BS. There was nothing that unusual about him or his associates, except that his name excites the press. Besides that and some knowledge of how to litigate a civil case, they could have been local public defenders (who like to involve themselves in random civil cases).

However, I am especially surprised that you object to him - I would have though his politics were fairly in line with yours. I'd expect him to be more disliked by the farther right GTers.
__________________
Quote:
This is the internet, where you could pretend to be anything you want; so how come so many people on this forum pretend to be limpwristed sissies?
- Me, 2014.
Bren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 05:40   #8
aircarver
Silver Membership
Ride Continues
 
aircarver's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Ft. Worth TX
Posts: 25,251


Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren View Post
... However, I am especially surprised that you object to him - I would have though his politics were fairly in line with yours. I'd expect him to be more disliked by the farther right GTers.
We like to break out the when liberals eat their own ....

.
__________________
They'd created a vast, permanently unemployed underclass, dependent upon the Republic's stupendous welfare machine for its very existence, and in so doing, they'd sown the seeds of their own destruction. No one could place two-thirds of a world's population on the Dole and keep them there forever without the entire system crashing . . . but how in hell did one get them off the Dole? -David Weber, Flag in Exile
aircarver is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 08:15   #9
greenman19
Senior Member
 
greenman19's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: central NC
Posts: 244
[QUOTE=Bren;18889039]The prosecutor has done some questionable things, but I don't see anything likely to get a prosecutor in trouble in the real world.

The D A in Durham, NC was held accountable. they recently fired another in the same town.
greenman19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 08:28   #10
samurairabbi
Dungeon Schmuck
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 6,922
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren View Post
The prosecutor has done some questionable things, but I don't see anything likely to get a prosecutor in trouble in the real world.

The D A in Durham, NC was held accountable. they recently fired another in the same town.
In the Duke case, Nifong CONCEALED evidence; that's why he got slammed by the system.

Whatever one's feelings about Dershowitz, if HE says your action is ill-considered, you should at least recheck your audit trail.
__________________
Samurai Rabbi

Last edited by samurairabbi; 04-25-2012 at 08:29..
samurairabbi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 08:47   #11
Bren
NRA Life Member
 
Bren's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 36,400
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenman19 View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren View Post
The prosecutor has done some questionable things, but I don't see anything likely to get a prosecutor in trouble in the real world.
The D A in Durham, NC was held accountable. they recently fired another in the same town.
At this point, there is a huge, huge difference between any questionable decisions by the Zimmerman prosecutor and by that scumbag in NC (who, I think, is no longer a lawyer).
__________________
Quote:
This is the internet, where you could pretend to be anything you want; so how come so many people on this forum pretend to be limpwristed sissies?
- Me, 2014.
Bren is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 14:37   #12
DOC44
Senior Member
 
DOC44's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 10,931
FOX interview with Dershowitz




Doc44
__________________
Have Gun Will Travel
DOC44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 15:58   #13
TBO
CLM Number 122
Why so serious?
 
TBO's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: NRA Life Member
Posts: 46,157
Blog Entries: 1


Dershowitz: Prosecutor in Trayvon Martin case overreached with murder charge

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/25...murder-charge/
TBO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 22:51   #14
hyperstyx
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: On the beach or in the mountains
Posts: 1,236
Several days ago I suggested that the State's pursuit in Zimmerman case was verging on actionable malicious prosecution. It would behoove those unfamiliar with this Florida law to get acquainted. Of the six elements required to establish malicious prosecution, five appear to be present...and the remaining one is likely forthcoming.

Dershowitz's speculation on subornation of perjury is separate, but fits well and adds to the element of malice.
__________________
Consequential critical thinking is not a liberal-approved intervention.
hyperstyx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 22:57   #15
samurairabbi
Dungeon Schmuck
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Posts: 6,922
Dang, Hyperstyx! You sure hurl dem big words around real purrty!
__________________
Samurai Rabbi
samurairabbi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 23:03   #16
DocCasualty
Senior Member
 
DocCasualty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Northern Michigan
Posts: 659
[/
Quote:
Originally Posted by hyperstyx View Post
Several days ago I suggested that the State's pursuit in Zimmerman case was verging on actionable malicious prosecution. It would behoove those unfamiliar with this Florida law to get acquainted. Of the six elements required to establish malicious prosecution, five appear to be present...and the remaining one is likely forthcoming.

Dershowitz's speculation on subornation of perjury is separate, but fits well and adds to the element of malice.
Can you expound for those of us not familiar with FL law?
----------------

Okay, found this:
Quote:
Under Florida case law, six separate elements must be proved in a malicious prosecution claim or the case may be dismissed:
An original civil or criminal action was commenced;
The original action was filed by the defendant in the new malicious prosecution action;
The original action ended with a ruling in favor of the plaintiff who is bringing the malicious prosecution action;
The original action was instigated with malice;
The original action was instigated without probable cause; and
The original action resulted in damages to the person bringing the malicious prosecution action.
__________________
NRA Life Member

Last edited by DocCasualty; 04-25-2012 at 23:40.. Reason: Okay, found this:
DocCasualty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2012, 23:42   #17
CAcop
Senior Member
 
CAcop's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: California
Posts: 22,037
Quote:
Originally Posted by G29Reload View Post
This is usually true, but in this case he's on the right side.



There are still ethical standards that need to be adhered to.
You realize you just said "ethical standards" in a thread about lawyers, right?

They wrote those with the intent of looking good but still giving them the opportunity to make money.
__________________
I wonder if your assessment of "The Wizard of Oz" would sound something like "A teenaged orphan runs away with three psychotic AD/HD patients and a little dog. She kills the first two women she meets." --Sinecure 07/03/2006
Freakin' awsome!! Kickin it old school. Hot sheet on the dash. The report was probably only two sentences. Long live Rencko and Bobbie Hill!--WhiskeyT
CAcop is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 00:20   #18
Gunnut 45/454
Senior Member
 
Gunnut 45/454's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 14,049
Her very words showed it to be Malicius prosecution- "We're here to find justice for Trayvon!!" No your not - your there to find the truth! And apply the law as written. When she didn't include the photo of his injuries to gain the warrent for arrest! Thats purjury! I can't wait for a jury to get this case and rip the prosecution to hell and back for not following the law! A good judge should shut this BS down real quick.
__________________
Gunnut45/454-One shot one kill!
Gunnut 45/454 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 00:35   #19
Cavalry Doc
Platinum Membership
MAJ (USA Ret.)
 
Cavalry Doc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Republic of Texas
Posts: 42,603


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gunnut 45/454 View Post
Her very words showed it to be Malicius prosecution- "We're here to find justice for Trayvon!!" No your not - your there to find the truth! And apply the law as written. When she didn't include the photo of his injuries to gain the warrent for arrest! Thats purjury! I can't wait for a jury to get this case and rip the prosecution to hell and back for not following the law! A good judge should shut this BS down real quick.
It's going to depend on the jury, and how well each team tells their story.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
--Gunhaver
Don't let the guys quoted above contact your reps more than you.


To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
Cavalry Doc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-26-2012, 09:54   #20
Brucev
Senior Member
 
Brucev's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 9,189
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bren View Post
I think that's a little over the top, even from my point of view. My office (not me, personally) has had a case against him, coming out of the "innocence project" BS. There was nothing that unusual about him or his associates, except that his name excites the press. Besides that and some knowledge of how to litigate a civil case, they could have been local public defenders (who like to involve themselves in random civil cases).

However, I am especially surprised that you object to him - I would have though his politics were fairly in line with yours. I'd expect him to be more disliked by the farther right GTers.
From my POV, the statement made is restrained. It is not a matter of politics. It stems from his partisan involvement in academic matters.
Brucev is offline   Reply With Quote

 
  
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:09.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 513
118 Members
395 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31