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Old 04-25-2012, 13:46   #1
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Silvertip, XTP, or Gold Dot?

What would you guys recommend ?

The use would be smaller hogs, small deer, feral dogs, and two legged varmits.

Gun is a Delta Elite. Ammo would be factory Hornady 180 or 200, Winchester Silvertip, or Underwood 180 Gold Dot @ 1200.
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Old 04-25-2012, 14:54   #2
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I like any of those choices for what you describe.

I would stick with the Underwood 180 GD, or the Silvertips more for 2 legged predators and varmints. I would go with one of the XTP's for hogs.
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Old 04-25-2012, 17:46   #3
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I personally like Winchester 175gr. Silvertip JHP's for almost everything.

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However, I also like 165gr. Gold Dot JHP's in front of 10.2 grains of 800-X. It is hard to beat a 10mm JHP that expands to 1.200 inches.

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Old 04-25-2012, 19:11   #4
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Old 04-25-2012, 19:30   #5
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XTP for everything but milk jugs. Then, I gotta grab a Nosler.
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Old 04-25-2012, 23:38   #6
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From what I have gathered in my research, XTP's are really tough and like to be moved FAST. Hornady loads their ammo a little on the slow side and tends not to get optimal performance from their bullets.

Of the choices you listed I would go with the 180gr GD@1200

I have no real knowledge or interest in Silvertips
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:31   #7
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For the animals, any of those bullets look good. They are all pretty tough, except that the Silvertip often sheds its jacket. For people, the Gold Dots or Silvertips would be a better choice than XTPs. As tough as the XTP is, it does not perform well through clothing or barriers.
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As tough as the XTP is, it does not perform well through clothing or barriers.
And the Silvertip does? (honest curiosity)
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Old 04-26-2012, 18:01   #9
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The XTP is a tuff bullet and has excellent penetration quality even out of a G20 at 100yd deer !

GD's are a very good choice for the 2 legged felons as are the XTP's. Bothe the XTP and the GD's are good for small pigs.

I use all HC bullets of my own loading for everything, but from time to time I do load up XTP's and GD's. I like the GD's heavy for caliber and bonded if I can find them.


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And the Silvertip does? (honest curiosity)
I don't know. The Gold Dot does really well through clothing and barriers and the XTP does really poorly. I haven't seen the data on the Silvertip so I can't say one way or another.
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I've always been a Gold Dot fan. In all calibers and weights. The best expension and consistency in my experience.
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Old 04-27-2012, 06:32   #12
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I put Gold dot in all my guns. Even my wife .380
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Guys, I appreciate all the responses. Thanks to all of you.

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Sorry for the hijack but .380 probably shouldn't be loaded with any JHP. I like Gold Dots a lot too but .380 suffers from inadequate penetration with any expanding ammo. Probably best to stick to ball in .380.
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Sorry for the hijack but .380 probably shouldn't be loaded with any JHP. I like Gold Dots a lot too but .380 suffers from inadequate penetration with any expanding ammo. Probably best to stick to ball in .380.
I agree. Just wouldn't feel secure enough.
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where does the data on the XTP's weaknesses come from? I use them almost exclusivley, and would like to know.
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where does the data on the XTP's weaknesses come from? I use them almost exclusivley, and would like to know.



The XTP by design, doesn't expand as aggressively as other bullets. When fired through 4 layers of denim it sometimes doesn't expand much at all. Other times it expands moderately and other times it doesn't expand.

I've mentioned before that the XTP makes a fine hunting bullet. Its intentionally controlled expansion results in great penetration. It is somewhat erratic when fired through denim, in comparison to Gold Dot, Ranger T, or other modern JHPs. That makes it less than ideal in my opinion. Can it expand? Sure. If you are aware of the limitations and choose it anyway, that's fine by me.
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How fast are those rounds going, in those three calibers?
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The 10 Ring

This photo is awesome. I cannot imagine why anyone would not want to use this for self defense. This, to me, is like the perfect expansion. This photo is exactly why I jumped on the Underwood 165gr. GDs on my last order. I feel like I have to stock up before the word gets out to the general public.
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