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Old 04-26-2012, 10:12   #21
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One thing about being a lay responder is that you do not have to search for a DNR. I certainly won't. But, if you are in the professional category of EMT or above I am guessing it is by state. Federal within the BOP doesn't do DNR, but once a person becomes an inpatient at another hospital they can do DNR, even if he is still an inmate under BOP.
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Old 04-26-2012, 15:21   #22
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I'm sorry. CPR on toddlers and babies is probably the worst thing to have to do. You will feel better in a little time.
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Old 04-26-2012, 16:46   #23
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That really and truly sucks. A friend of mine is a paramedic, and he loses a little one every once in a while, and he says he'll never forget any of the kids. Talk to someone, friend, pastor, shrink, whatever.

As to the DNR orders, they might as well not exist for me. I'm trained in CPR and first aid, not interpreting legal documents while involved in trying to save someone's life. If the FD shows up and takes over, then abandons CPR, that's on them, and none of my concern. My training says that once I start, I don't stop until properly relieved or I'm too exhausted to continue.
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Old 04-26-2012, 19:41   #24
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Old 04-27-2012, 05:35   #25
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Man. Hang in there.

Went to a drowned 1 year old call. Show up, fire on scene doing CPR. Baby passed away.

I had a hard time. My son was about a year and half old at the time. I didn't sleep for almost 2 days and stayed in his room at night sitting in the rocking chair that my dad used to rock me.




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Old 04-27-2012, 08:29   #26
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I agree with everyone on here in saying at least you tried. I personally have attempted CPR on 2 people and neither made it. Never gets any easier.
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Old 05-03-2012, 16:16   #27
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Went to a drowned 1 year old call. Show up, fire on scene doing CPR. Baby passed away.

I had a hard time. My son was about a year and half old at the time. I didn't sleep for almost 2 days and stayed in his room at night sitting in the rocking chair that my dad used to rock me.
These are the worst.

When I was a kid, I can remember my Mother (also a Paramedic) coming home from work after a pedi-code or a bad MVC involving a child, in tears, and wouldn't let go of me or my sister for a hour. We were pissed that we couldn't ride our bikes in the street for the next two months...

Now that I've been doing this for 10 years, I understand completely. While I still am not emotionally affected by doing CPR on a patient of any age, I am 100% sure that will change in a few years when I start to have kids of my own.

I've been to multiple CISM Debriefings and from what the other Paramedics and Officers have said, they help out a lot.
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Old 05-03-2012, 23:04   #28
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I've never had to do CPR, but I had an instance where I was one of the last people to talk to a kid before she died.

Mom wanted to report her as a runaway, but knew where she was. I contacted the girl, we told her to go home. She did, then died overnight. I showed up the next morning and the Lt. said to me "your girlfriend's dead." When my shift was over and I drove home, it hit me that I was one of the last 4 or 5 people to see/talk to her. I spent my evening hugging my daughter.

Stuff like that isn't easy, but if we didn't do it, nobody would...
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I am a big proponent of CISM/CISD. They absolutely work very well.
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Old 05-04-2012, 05:00   #30
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Old 05-04-2012, 18:32   #31
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Had to do CPR on a 2 year old last night. Didnt turn out good. Ironically, My back up was the same Officer it was in the same situation 5 years ago. Bad thing was it turned out the same. Crappy part of the job
Been there and done that several times. If you have sleep problems, talk to someone. Don't let it eat you. As other posters pointed out, this is part of life. You did all you can.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:01   #32
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Everybody dies someday. The lucky ones are the ones who have somebody there to try to save them. Most people don't know CPR or first aid. Take solace in that you went the extra mile and learned those skills, and were there to help.

Every now and then God says "OK, if you feel so strongly about it, I'll give this one a little more time on earth." 30 years as a medic and nurse, and believe more than ever in a higher power, and that he/she notices what we do for our fellow human.

You tried, the final decision is Gods. As a fellow human, thanks.
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Old 05-05-2012, 08:36   #33
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Its pretty rare that CPR works from what I was told. There's usually a reason the heart stopped, and it just doesn't need a break for a moment, while you beat for it. It doesn't simply to be reminded to beat. Even if you kept them alive to the hospital, there's still that underlying problem that has to be fixed to ensure survival.

Plus you have to almost see them collapse to be there in time to have a reasonable chance of success.

The defibrillator machines they have stashed in public places are probably much more effective.

But if CPR is all you have available, its what you do, its a chance, so you take it.

Sorry you had to go through that, but you should absolutlely not feel guilty, or that you could have done more. You did the best you could have done.

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Old 05-06-2012, 06:18   #34
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Pretty much when I was going through EMT school I was told that pretty much 1/3 of people will die immediately if they go into cardiac arrest, no hope of ever getting them back. The other 2/3s have a chance if you get them appropriate medical care. The defibrillator helps when the heart is in one of the two shockable rhythms, v-fib & v-tach. Asystole (flat line) is not a shockable rhythm, regardless of what is portrayed on TV/Movies. With children, it's typically a breathing issue they have, which leads to cardiac arrest. You can't go very long (4-6 minutes) without oxygen before there is permanent brain damage.
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