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Old 05-03-2012, 21:35   #76
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...If you have been following the thread on the Sabbath you find that very few people keep that one of the Ten Commandments. The Remnant Church keeps all of the Commandments and also has the Spirit of Prophecy...
Neither do SDA. The 1st Commandment is violated by Jesus as understood by the descendants of those that authored it. No other Gods. No sons, no holy spirits. What is your OT evidence that is not the case. Under what pretense do you deem your understanding of it wrong without reference to the NT. And can you read/speak and understand the OT in the original languages it was written?

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2. The broken wine bottles refers to the statement that Jesus made about the Jews that could not make the switch from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
Still not getting that. Is the broken wine bottle thing a passage from the NT or something you came up with?

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3. Muscoge has continually shown his dissatisfaction with anything religiopus. I was not judging him as much as predicting how he would react. Being a Christian does not mean abandoning all reason.
Correct or not that prediction is a judgment. What is it you find so appealing about being persecuted and what about that makes you feel so vindicated?
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Old 05-03-2012, 23:35   #77
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Neither do SDA. The 1st Commandment is violated by Jesus as understood by the descendants of those that authored it. No other Gods. No sons, no holy spirits. What is your OT evidence that is not the case. Under what pretense do you deem your understanding of it wrong without reference to the NT. And can you read/speak and understand the OT in the original languages it was written?



Still not getting that. Is the broken wine bottle thing a passage from the NT or something you came up with?
1. God promised that the savior would be a descendant from Eve.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem and yet He is from everlasting.

Micah 5:2 But you, Bethlehem Ephratah, though you be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth to me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

God's hands and feet would be pierced:

Psalm 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

He will have those scars in the New Kingdom of God:

Zechariah 13:6 And one shall say to him, What are these wounds in your hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

He would bear our infirmities:

53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

He would be killed as an offering for sin and then resurrected:

53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
53:9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

BTW you were going to check on Haggai and tell me why the second temple would be more glorious than the first and who the desire of all nations was. And now that temple is gone.

The Jews were not able to accept the Messiah as a nation that is why the remark new wine in old wine skins:

Mark 2:22 And no man puts new wine into old bottles: else the new wine does burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:22   #78
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3. Muscoge has continually shown his dissatisfaction with anything religiopus. I was not judging him as mucha s predicting how he would react. Being a Christian does not mean abandoning all reason.
Do you have any evidenced that Jesus was as Nazarite? You continue to make illogical statements then run hide when asked to defend them.
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1. God promised that the savior would be a descendant from Eve.

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Since we're all supposedly descended from Eve, how does that make Jesus different from anyone else? Your quote says nothing about Jesus. has nothing to do with your statement.

I know your kind. I was raised by your kind. I used to be one of your kind. We decide what we want the Bible to say and then make it say that. That's the highest form of vanity because your opinion becomes the will of God. If anyone disagrees with you, they're disagreeing with God.
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Old 05-04-2012, 14:28   #80
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Since we're all supposedly descended from Eve, how does that make Jesus different from anyone else? Your quote says nothing about Jesus. has nothing to do with your statement.

I know your kind. I was raised by your kind. I used to be one of your kind. We decide what we want the Bible to say and then make it say that. That's the highest form of vanity because your opinion becomes the will of God. If anyone disagrees with you, they're disagreeing with God.
You have a right to disagree.
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Old 05-04-2012, 19:03   #81
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I know your kind. I was raised by your kind. I used to be one of your kind. We decide what we want the Bible to say and then make it say that. That's the highest form of vanity because your opinion becomes the will of God. If anyone disagrees with you, they're disagreeing with God.
and thus the reason for the Book of Mormon.

just pointing it out.... I know you don't believe in anything, so don't argue with me. I'm not trying to change your mind (only you can do that) and I'm not trying to prove anything (like vic is) because it can't be proven.


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...BTW you were going to check on Haggai and tell me why the second temple would be more glorious than the first and who the desire of all nations was. And now that temple is gone.
Still waiting on a response from my misguided Jewish source. Sometimes real life interferes with internet debate.

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The Jews were not able to accept the Messiah as a nation that is why the remark new wine in old wine skins:

Mark 2:22 And no man puts new wine into old bottles: else the new wine does burst the bottles, and the wine is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine must be put into new bottles.
Let me make sure I understand this. New wine, which is just freshly squeezed grape juice, will break old wine bottles, which contained actual wine because the old bottles where stressed from the gasses given off by wine?
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Still waiting on a response from my misguided Jewish source. Sometimes real life interferes with internet debate.



Let me make sure I understand this. New wine, which is just freshly squeezed grape juice, will break old wine bottles, which contained actual wine because the old bottles where stressed from the gasses given off by wine?
Mark 2:21-22, "21 No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment. Otherwise, the new piece will pull away from the old, making the tear worse.22 And no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the wineskins will be ruined. No, they pour new wine into new wineskins.”

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Let me make sure I understand this. New wine, which is just freshly squeezed grape juice, will break old wine bottles, which contained actual wine because the old bottles where stressed from the gasses given off by wine?
The bottles were not made of glass. They were made of animal skins which becomes brittle and hard with age. It makes sense that New Wine would put some pressure on them as it fermented.

Basically the proverb is about the inertia to change. The majority of Jews in Jesus day were comfortable with the status quot. It certainly goes with your sig line which is almost a paraphrase from the Gospel of John.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

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