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Old 05-02-2012, 21:03   #1
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The war on drugs is a success

Report: Frequent Marijuana Smoking Up 80 Percent Among Teens

http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/hea...149910715.html

Meth lab numbers increase sharply in 2011

http://newsandtribune.com/local/x206...harply-in-2011



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Old 05-02-2012, 21:15   #2
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Report: Frequent Marijuana Smoking Up 80 Percent Among Teens

http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/hea...149910715.html

Meth lab numbers increase sharply in 2011

http://newsandtribune.com/local/x206...harply-in-2011



Hah! That's because we haven't spent enough money on it (the WOD). We need to have more Coast Guard boats, planes & choppers dedicated solely to this. Have more cops on it; grow the DEA. Train ALL police dogs to sniff for drugs instead of explosives, etc. THEN it will work!

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Old 05-02-2012, 21:25   #3
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Hah! That's because we haven't spent enough money on it (the WOD). We need to have more Coast Guard boats, planes & choppers dedicated solely to this. Have more cops on it; grow the DEA. Train ALL police dogs to sniff for drugs instead of explosives, etc. THEN it will work!

No doubt, we just haven't thrown enough money at it yet.
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Old 05-02-2012, 21:42   #4
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:04   #5
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this war isnt meant to be won, think if by miracle everyone stopped doing drugs the ensuing mass of job loss in the enforcement sector.....it's here to stay folks
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So let's declare a truce. Decriminalize it, but make sure all the costs are born by the users. No public assistance if you are a user. All health problems associated with use are paid for out of pocket or with separate insurance. And yes, it's ok if you add tobacco and alcohol to that. With freedom, comes responsibility. If you can pay your own way, you should be able to play. Otherwise, I, and many others don't really care if the laws change.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:51   #7
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I knew this was coming a while ago. The fashion industry started pushing the hippie/ 60's look a while ago. The Che' shirts came back, and then the hemp fascination. Heroin came back too, and kids are dropping like ninepins. People are sheep.

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Old 05-03-2012, 07:08   #8
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Briefly... forgetaboutit. Treat it exactly like alcohol. No difference at all. If alcohol were today just a new drug coming on the market and marijuana had been freely available for centuries, it would make no more sense to treat alcohol in the manner as is currently the method for marijuana. The "war on drugs" was a convenient political ploy. Nothing more. Now it is not even a convenient political ploy. It's time to admit the truth and drop it... same as protest against LBJ. It's a dead issue.
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So let's declare a truce. Decriminalize it, but make sure all the costs are born by the users. No public assistance if you are a user. All health problems associated with use are paid for out of pocket or with separate insurance. And yes, it's ok if you add tobacco and alcohol to that. With freedom, comes responsibility. If you can pay your own way, you should be able to play. Otherwise, I, and many others don't really care if the laws change.
The religious branch of the republican party is not on board with this way of thinking. You have to be forced to stay away from sin.
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So let's declare a truce. Decriminalize it, but make sure all the costs are born by the users. No public assistance if you are a user. All health problems associated with use are paid for out of pocket or with separate insurance. And yes, it's ok if you add tobacco and alcohol to that. With freedom, comes responsibility. If you can pay your own way, you should be able to play. Otherwise, I, and many others don't really care if the laws change.
100% agree.
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The religious branch of the republican party is not on board with this way of thinking. You have to be forced to stay away from sin.
So, do you support a change or not. You will have to give a little to get a little. If users are truly responsible for their choice, you bring more to your side of the issue. Otherwise, we are just griping and not changing things.
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So, do you support a change or not. You will have to give a little to get a little. If users are truly responsible for their choice, you bring more to your side of the issue. Otherwise, we are just griping and not changing things.
Sure, change would be nice. Going to happen? Nope.

Prohibition was too expensive, that's the only reason we got rid of it, because we couldn't afford it and there were people who cared about what we could or could not afford. Not an issue anymore.

I'm totally with you. Let people use drugs if they want to, just make them responsible for their own lives. Are you going to start using drugs just because they are legal? No. Me neither. And not most people who get up and go to work every day.
Hunting is illegal on sunday. Buying liquor is illegal on sunday. And now we also have a law making gay marriage illegal. I voted against the christian statist law, didn't make any difference.
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So let's declare a truce. Decriminalize it, but make sure all the costs are born by the users. No public assistance if you are a user. All health problems associated with use are paid for out of pocket or with separate insurance. And yes, it's ok if you add tobacco and alcohol to that. With freedom, comes responsibility. If you can pay your own way, you should be able to play. Otherwise, I, and many others don't really care if the laws change.
Agreed. And let the twinkie eating fatties pay for their obesity and diabetes problems themselves as well.
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So let's declare a truce. Decriminalize it, but make sure all the costs are born by the users. No public assistance if you are a user. All health problems associated with use are paid for out of pocket or with separate insurance. And yes, it's ok if you add tobacco and alcohol to that. With freedom, comes responsibility. If you can pay your own way, you should be able to play. Otherwise, I, and many others don't really care if the laws change.
Will you PLEASE run for office?
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Agreed. And let the twinkie eating fatties pay for their obesity and diabetes problems themselves as well.
Why stop there. Let the folks who wear out their knees running pay for their own knee jobs. Let the folks get lost while hiking in a national park, etc. get themselves out or let them pay the full cost of all the search and rescue personnel and equipment. Let commercial and recreational fisherman who get into trouble and sink off the coast save themselves or drown. Why should the Coast Guard take time off to go rescue such people at taxpayer expense. Why... do the same thing with traffic accidents. Let those who have them deal with the aftermath on their own.
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Will you PLEASE run for office?
I've tried to get him to. He refuses. I may just write him in on election day.
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I've tried to get him to. He refuses. I may just write him in on election day.
Well, he'll get two votes, at least.
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Why stop there. Let the folks who wear out their knees running pay for their own knee jobs.

Agreed.

Let the folks get lost while hiking in a national park, etc. get themselves out or let them pay the full cost of all the search and rescue personnel and equipment.

Agreed.

Let commercial and recreational fisherman who get into trouble and sink off the coast save themselves or drown.

Why should the Coast Guard take time off to go rescue such people at taxpayer expense.

Agreed.

Why... do the same thing with traffic accidents. Let those who have them deal with the aftermath on their own.

Agreed.
I'll all for returning to full-on natural selection as a means of population control. Maybe we'd learn to rely on each other and ourselves, instead of a nanny state, and so-called 'insurance.'

Imagine if hikers learned how to rescue each other. If fisherman went out together and shared the resources (and provided a measure of assistance in times of trouble. If runners learned not to abuse their bodies and expect me to pay for their knee replacements.

If drug users learned to keep drugs from ruining their lives.

What the difference between me having one drink a day and an alcoholic whose lack of productivity and medical expenses cost me money? Personal responsibility.

What's the difference between the doctor who smokes pot once or twice a year while he's on vacation, and the stoner who can't live without it? Personal responsibility.

We coddle those who believe that the State should provide the discipline we lack.

We expect that the individual should not have to rely on other individuals, but rather, rely on the resources of those individuals - resources that are taken from us as the price of admission to the society we CHOOSE to live in.

We choose it every time we vote against personal liberty.
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The problem w/ the "let the druggies have their stuff, then let them bear the consequences to their health, etc" is you all know that politically, that's just not going to fly. What *will* happen if legalization happens is every drugged out loser out there will demand the additional medical support they would need for free, their lost time compensated/paid for by their employers, etc. and with the current political climate (sadly w/ both major parties), they'd get it because self-reliance and responsibilities just aren't politically popular now or likely ever.
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Report: Frequent Marijuana Smoking Up 80 Percent Among Teens

http://www.wibw.com/nationalnews/hea...149910715.html

Meth lab numbers increase sharply in 2011

http://newsandtribune.com/local/x206...harply-in-2011



What was ever outlawed and was eliminated?

People will do what they will do

Legalize
Heroin
Cocaine
Methamphetamine
Crack Cocaine
LSD
Ecstasy
Opium
Marijuana
Psilocybin Mushrooms
PCP

But we also need to legalize the use of prescription drugs like Vicodin and Oxycontin by everyone.

http://voices.yahoo.com/illegal-pres...-the-3684.html

We need to legalize all drugs for all people.

We can deal with all the problems on the back end. If a 12 year old takes someone takes a LSD trip and vicodin and get in a car and kills some people or if he trips out and kills his parents, there will be a jail cell waiting for him.
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Sure, change would be nice. Going to happen? Nope.

Prohibition was too expensive, that's the only reason we got rid of it, because we couldn't afford it and there were people who cared about what we could or could not afford. Not an issue anymore.

I'm totally with you. Let people use drugs if they want to, just make them responsible for their own lives. Are you going to start using drugs just because they are legal? No. Me neither. And not most people who get up and go to work every day.
Hunting is illegal on sunday. Buying liquor is illegal on sunday. And now we also have a law making gay marriage illegal. I voted against the christian statist law, didn't make any difference.
Well, I'll likely be hunting and trapping this Sunday, and we can buy beer after noon, but I don't drink liquor,and will likely buy all the beer we need on Friday on the way out to the ranch. The last dozen or so times I've been in a church, it was to vote. It is what it is today, an it would take overcoming inertia to change things. ETA: buddy just called, won't be this weekend, he has some legal homework to do.

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What was ever outlawed and was eliminated?

People will do what they will do

Legalize
Heroin
Cocaine
Methamphetamine
Crack Cocaine
LSD
Ecstasy
Opium
Marijuana
Psilocybin Mushrooms
PCP

But we also need to legalize the use of prescription drugs like Vicodin and Oxycontin by everyone.

http://voices.yahoo.com/illegal-pres...-the-3684.html

We need to legalize all drugs for all people.

We can deal with all the problems on the back end. If a 12 year old takes someone takes a LSD trip and vicodin and get in a car and kills some people or if he trips out and kills his parents, there will be a jail cell waiting for him.
Make it so the financial responsibilities are up front too, and cut off all public assistance to those that choose to use, and we will almost be on the same page.
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I've tried to get him to. He refuses. I may just write him in on election day.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I honestly have way too much fun seeing patients. I'm only 44, and right now, it's just not in the cards. Maybe some day in the future. I'm neck deep in trying to fix some major problems already. I've gone to Washington, and without the congressman knowing I was in town, his staffer came in to speak to our group, found out where we were from and stated that the they had some concerns about where I worked, and asked our group leader if she knew me by name. So much for keeping a low profile. The congressman came in later and we talked for about an hour. We are still working on the issues. Things move painfully slow. I am actively trying, and sticking my neck out about a mile in the process.

Give me 5 or 6 years, maybe then.

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Make it so the financial responsibilities are up front too, and cut off all public assistance to those that choose to use, and we will almost be on the same page.
While I agree the government shouldn't pay that is a separate problem and should be dealt with the drug war should be ended, regardless if the other problem is fixed or not. Allowing the government powers it should not have in the first place should not be on conditions that we should fix other problems in government first.


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We're losing the drug war for the same reason we're losing the Afghanistan War (not to mention the wars on prostitution, rape, murder, gangs, burglary, grand theft auto, etc. despite the increasing proliferation in ballistics, fingerprinting, DNA, and surveillance cameras)...lib activists limiting the rules of engagement while demonizing the military, the police, and other members of society who choose morals and self-control over laziness and hedonism. Just because the problem isn't going away doesn't mean we should just give up though.
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