This will make you rethink about how effective the 22lr can be!

Armchair Commando · 05-13-2012, 14:18

.22 LR CCI MINI-MAG 36 gr Ballistic Gel Test - YouTube

Armchair Commando · 05-13-2012, 14:19

.22LR LETHALITY - 300 Yard Ballistics Test - YouTube

TSAX · 05-13-2012, 14:27

Did he say 12 lbs squirrel

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Rustin · 05-13-2012, 14:38

I never doubted it!

That reminds me, I need a Ruger 10/22!

Nakanokalronin · 05-13-2012, 14:43

Good for small game but if your talking about SD, let's see some denim tests out of a rifle and the more commonly carried pistol. The .22lr can kill but I wouldn't want to be stuck with only that caliber as a SD option.

Armchair Commando · 05-13-2012, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Nakanokalronin

Good for small game but if your talking about SD, let's see some denim tests out of a rifle and the more commonly carried pistol. The .22lr can kill but I wouldn't want to be stuck with only that caliber as a SD option.

Watch the 2nd video, At 300 yards it penetrates completely through 8 layers of denim and 4-5 inches of a roast.

Aceman · 05-13-2012, 15:09

To respond to the basic post: Yes, very impressive in general. For serious .22lr business and survival I use CCI Mini-mags and Stingers. I keep about 1000 of them on hand. My S&W M&P 15-22 really likes them.

Slightly deeper response: No, it doesn't make me rethink anything. I can show you how effective a toothpick CAN be. The bottom line is that it is not a sufficiently RELIABLE SD round. I defer to my classic "pig" experiment: Shoot 100 randomly walking/charging 150lb pigs with a Ruger Mk. III at say 25 feet. Timed shots, 2-3 max, no slow fire. Count how many stop advancing, and how many drop. There is your stopping/completely effective % ratings.

concretefuzzynuts · 05-13-2012, 15:09

That video along with this one. Though I personally carry nothing smaller than .38 sp.

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Armchair Commando · 05-13-2012, 15:16

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Originally Posted by Aceman

To respond to the basic post: Yes, very impressive in general. For serious .22lr business and survival I use CCI Mini-mags and Stingers.

Slightly deeper response: No, it doesn't make me rethink anything. I can show you how effective a toothpick CAN be. The bottom line is that it is not a sufficiently RELIABLE SD round. I defer to my classic "pig" experiment: Shoot 100 randomly walking/charging 150lb pigs with a Ruger Mk. III at say 25 feet. Timed shots, no slow fire. Count how many stop advancing, and how many drop. There is your stopping/completely effective % ratings.

150lb pigs compared to a human, Hmm pigs are a lot tougher to kill not to mention penetration is a lot tougher. I've shot 6 wild boars with my 70lb mathews monster with 450 grain arrows and Magnus buzzcut broadheads and 5 of them i didn't even get a pass thru! My broadheads will penetrate much deeper and create much more blood loss than a SD round! That test is kinda pointless! And your going away from my topic, I never said it was a reliable SD round, I posted the videos to opens peoples eyes to what a 22lr is capable of!

AA#5 · 05-13-2012, 16:02

"Effective" on what?

TheStreetKing, it might make YOU rethink how effective the 22lr can be. That's because you are confusing "Killing Power" with "Stopping Power."

countrygun · 05-13-2012, 16:10

Botulism can be deadly too, but it and the .22 lack the stopping power I want in a self defense tool.

dakrat · 05-13-2012, 16:51

great! now see the same ammo fired from a pocket .22 pistol..... unless you can conceal a .22LR rifle.

Armchair Commando · 05-13-2012, 17:51

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Originally Posted by dakrat

great! now see the same ammo fired from a pocket .22 pistol..... unless you can conceal a .22LR rifle.

Great! Another person who lacks reading comprehension. Go back to school or reread the original post!

Armchair Commando · 05-13-2012, 17:56

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Originally Posted by AA#5

"Effective" on what?

TheStreetKing, it might make YOU rethink how effective the 22lr can be. That's because you are confusing "Killing Power" with "Stopping Power."

It does make me rethink how effective a 22lr can be at killing anything, For it to penetrate 8 layers of denim and 4-5 inches of flesh at 300 yards is pretty good!

fnfalman · 05-13-2012, 18:05

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Originally Posted by AA#5

"Effective" on what?

TheStreetKing, it might make YOU rethink how effective the 22lr can be. That's because you are confusing "Killing Power" with "Stopping Power."

Would you enlighten us peasants with this "Stopping Power"?

Where can we find them in scientific journals?

DonD · 05-13-2012, 18:25

I'll chime in with a little different twist. I recently got a Remington 597 and the range I use can't allow offhand shooting at other than the pistol berms due to downrange limitations. The 100 yd range has bench rests with railroad ties making a tunnel to keep shots from going outside the berms.

So, sighted in at 25 yds, it was amazing how much drop there is at 100. Shooting at 300 let alone 400 yds would be a real rainbow event.

I was disgusted with CCI Velocitors, claimed velocity is something like 1430 fps, they clocked 1260 across an Oehler Model 35 chronograph, just 30 fps faster than Remington bulk "WalMart" ammo and costs nearly 3X as much.

The Remington, however, has been a fantastic gun, the best $200 I've ever spent on a gun. Nearly 1000 rds through it, not a single bobble or choke, very accurate, decent trigger, doesn't get anywhere near as dirty from shooting as the Ruger 10/22 it replaced. Amazingly decent little factory mounted 3-9X scope on it.

For defensive purposes, a Ruger Mini 30 is my house gun and a Ruger SP101 my CCW gun.
Don

MoCop · 05-13-2012, 18:27

Not to say too much, but I have personally seen what a 22lr can do to a person (two, actually on a drive by). It wasn't pretty by any means and the dudes were out of the fight. Those little rounds can put a hurtin on someone.

Nakanokalronin · 05-13-2012, 18:53

Does any LE agency issue 22lr pistols or rifles to officers other than for putting down a wounded animal? It's a neat cheap round that can work if it hits the right place but come on now. The guy in the video even makes fun of the gel test thinking everyone will go out and buy it as something fantastic for SD and if you didn't get that the first time, watch video #1 again.

The 22lr can do things but there are many many calibers that can do it better when it comes to defense. This dosn't take away from the fact that the 22lr can kill or wound, it's just that there are better choices.

Sporaticus · 05-13-2012, 19:21

There was a thread on one of the sniper forums years ago where a member was testing the penetration of a .22 LR at distance. The results were very surprising.

itstime · 05-13-2012, 19:54

I live fairly close to the school in Ohio that had the shooting with the loss of children's lives. .22 revolver.

Sad. Very sad indeed. But in real life the round worked.

I sat here wondering if I should write this but three high school kids died from this inferior round.

Talk all you want about it people. This wasn't a gel test.

Aceman · 05-13-2012, 20:42

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Originally Posted by itstime

I live fairly close to the school in Ohio that had the shooting with the loss of children's lives. .22 revolver.

Sad. Very sad indeed. But in real life the round worked.

I sat here wondering if I should write this but three high school kids died from this inferior round.

Talk all you want about it people. This wasn't a gel test.

And it wasn't a defensive shooting against an armed/dangerous assailant either.

The is is never CAN it be dangerous - it is how RELIABLE is it in a self-defense scenario. That's like saying an AR always hit's +/- 1 MOA at 200 yards. Yeah - it is CAPABLE of that. But check out the bodies of those shot during combat. A healthy number did not get hit in the "10" and more than a few didn't stop...

Reliability kids, reliability...it's all about the odds, not statistical anomalies and anecdotes about "one time" this or that. Give me 100 armed assailants (or pigs) and take the shots and count the stops. There will absolutely be some...but nearly as many as you think.

FLglockdude · 05-13-2012, 20:52

Kind of off topic here, but why do you feel the need to put your weight maxes in your signature on a gun forum?

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CajunBass · 05-14-2012, 05:58

I don't have to "rethink" it. I've seen the damage it will do to squirrels, rabbits, hogs, dogs, cats, bats, rats...you get the idea.

History tells me that thousands if not millions of people have used it quite successfully for self and home defense. Has it failed at times. Of course it has, but so has everything else at one time or another.

Would I grab a 22 first? No, but if it's what I had, I wouldn't feel too bad about it.

The_Gun_Guru · 05-14-2012, 06:41

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Originally Posted by AA#5

"Effective" on what?

TheStreetKing, it might make YOU rethink how effective the 22lr can be. That's because you are confusing "Killing Power" with "Stopping Power."

There was an incident here in South FL where a ghetto scumbag tried to rob a fast food place, and when he herded the patrons and employees into a bathroom (IIRC), one of the customers pulled his KT P-32 and fired three rounds. The POS immediately turned and ran (survival instinct) but was found later on the side of the railroad tracks.....DEAD!

Your carry gun doesn't always need to STOP a bad guy, it can often be used to make the threat want to leave the scene. I'm not a LEO but I have enough common sense to realize that, just because a caliber is small, it doesn't mean that it's not effective at ending a bad situation.

Besides, not all of us can carry a 1911

There is no way that I could carry mine and be comfortable with it all day in the FL heat and humidity. Where you live oftem dictates what you can carry.

BTW.....I carry a KT P-32 (and did so BEFORE the above incident ever happened) and I have COMPLETE faith in what most consider a weak caliber.

TGG

Apetrulis01 · 05-14-2012, 08:36

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Originally Posted by FLglockdude

Kind of off topic here, but why do you feel the need to put your weight maxes in your signature on a gun forum?

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