Finally got a G17 RTF fish gill today. NIB from a local dealer. Couldn't believe it. I have been searching for one locally here in SW Ohio for a while now. Decent price too. I was shocked also because the dealer also had a NIB G21 SF RTF in his showcase cheaper than the used one I bought from Ed's earlier this year. Oh well, I am happy with the one I got from Ed's and happy I finally found a G17 RTF locally.