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Old 08-15-2012, 17:46   #26
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Then your experience is sorely limited.

I would not carry any weapon that is not 100% reliable. All of my carry 1911's are just that. My "boutique" Wilson Combat being one of them.

As to Glocks' reliability, well, let's say that a simple perusal of this board will disclose the fallacy of that concept.

Additionally I worked with two MOS who had Glock Model 19's lock up tight in the middle of shootings on the stree.
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Old 08-15-2012, 20:22   #27
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I have glocks also. all the baby glocks with the exception of the 39. also 20, 24, 34, and 2 others I cant think of. my 20 I shot at least 500 rounds out of it so far and haven't cleaned it yet and it still functions flawlessly. some pistols do require more maintenance than others. my nighthawk 9MM jammed after 200 rounds with no cleaning. but after a takedown and lube it functioned with no issues. the tolerances are tighter on more expensive pistols than the less expensive ones. I believe this is why they don't function as well if exposed to sand, mud, etc. most guns are like this. most of my guns probably wont shoot flawlessly if I put dirt or sand in it. it doesen't mean they are not good firearms.
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Old 08-15-2012, 20:44   #28
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I have been carrying my 1911 more. I have more confidence in shooting them. I only like the Middle Upper range like Wilson, Guncrafter, Ed Brown, etc.

They're worth the money for reliability, accuracy and service. However, I do appreciate my other pistols, too, such as my premium 357 Magnum revolvers like the Performance Center Smith and Wesson or Colt Pythons.

It's whatever someone wants to put into their hobby. One doesn't have to be a competitive shooter or sponsored celebrity. If one can afford it AND APPRECIATE the difference, then YES. It is worth it. Until you've owned one, you'll never know.
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Old 08-16-2012, 02:35   #29
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Then your experience is sorely limited.

I would not carry any weapon that is not 100% reliable. All of my carry 1911's are just that. My "boutique" Wilson Combat being one of them.

As to Glocks' reliability, well, let's say that a simple perusal of this board will disclose the fallacy of that concept.

Additionally I worked with two MOS who had Glock Model 19's lock up tight in the middle of shootings on the stree.
I've never had a Glock not fire. I've owned Glocks since the early 90's.
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Old 08-16-2012, 02:52   #30
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:42   #31
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nothing wrong with living large. some people who cant afford high end things will justify not having it by thinking what they have is just as good or better so why bother but we know if they had the means they'd buy one. I'm not saying this thread is such a case but it does happen.
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Old 08-16-2012, 08:55   #32
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Yea, all the companys that make 1911 clones must have it wrong
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Old 08-16-2012, 12:20   #33
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heres your "boutique" 1911 that will run as hard as you will.
http://www.jardinescustom.com/
is it worth it for a gun equal to a down payment on a cheaper car? not to me, would i turn it down if i could have it. probably, but then again im not a "look at me look at me" type and prefer to go unnoticed.
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Old 08-16-2012, 16:03   #34
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Yes, high end 1911's scream "look at me" as they ride concealed in IWB holsters for daily carry.

Absolutely.
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Old 08-16-2012, 16:34   #35
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Yes, high end 1911's scream "look at me" as they ride concealed in IWB holsters for daily carry.

Absolutely.
did i say anything about concealing it? not at all, but it goes well with the entire basis of the conversation, the ferraris and whatnot, not for me. i can afford to own a top end 1911, dont feel the need for one. the cost is not justified to me. but how many dont go "look at me look at me" after buying said ridiculous priced firearm or car? about 10% and thats being generous.

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Old 08-17-2012, 08:47   #36
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I carry my nighthawk every once in a while, but I also try to rotate my pistols and carry different ones. if i wanted to impress people I wouldn't carry pink handguns or baby glocks. I suck at shooting, in fact I don't like doing it. but I'm sure in the hands of an experienced shooter any of my nighthawks will outshoot all the other pistols I have (SIG, HK, S&W, dan wesson, FN, desert eagle,colt, glock, webley, taurus, springfield armory, american tactical, EAA, any of them)
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:51   #37
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I think this argument is silly as hand guns are all about personal preference. It's like arguing over New York vs Chicago-style pizza. When it comes to personal preference, there is no right answer.

For what it's worth, I've seen guys with $8,000 custom 1911's get absolutely shamed in IDPA/IPSC competitions by guys with bone-stock G17's. I've also seen guys brag about "Glock Perfection" with it's durability, rugged design making it the ultimate combat handgun. But these same guys never practice anything combat-related; malfunction drills, drawing and indexing, reloads, etc. Hell, most of them don't shoot more than 200 rounds a year and when they do it's from a static position at 7 yard static targets.

The gun you own doesn't make you the shooter you want to be any more than owning a hammer makes you a carpenter.
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Old 09-03-2012, 08:37   #38
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Let me just say this; I've owned them all. 3 Wilsons, 2 Ed Browns, 2 Les Baer and 2 Nighthawks over a span of 10 years. They were great and works of art. I could shoot one hole, one inch groups with them all day long. Then one day I realized it was nuts to own them and I sold them all. Now I own a few Glocks and I'm happy. Sure, I'd love to have one Wilson CQB again, just becuase it was an amazing shooter. But I can honestly say that those expensive guns had more issues of one kind or another than any of my Glocks. And of the bunch, on Wilson had really good customer serivce. The other ones simply sucked. If you are a good shooter, after shooting one you will understand why folks love them. I can shoot my Glocks pretty darn good; but they will never shoot like a high end custom 1911.
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Old 09-05-2012, 07:25   #39
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:32   #40
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I'm pretty much into HK's and Sig's myself.

With that said, there is nothing in this world quite like a high end 1911. Unless you've ever owned one much less shot one, you'll never understand.

It always makes me laugh when people that can't afford something nice take the time to bash what they can't have in order to convince themselves that it isn't better or that they don't need it.



I'll always have a soft spot for high end 1911's.
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Old 09-06-2012, 02:33   #41
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Yea, all the companys that make 1911 clones must have it wrong
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Old 09-07-2012, 23:56   #42
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At 2000 dollars, I could have bought 3-4 other typical handguns. I could have bought a KelTec .380 at 220 for deep summer carry, a Glock 26 or S&W M&P compact for around 425 for winter carry, and a used Glock 17 for around 400 for IDPA/home defense/SHTF combat gun, all for around HALF of ONE of your custom 13 pound 1911's.
Believe it or not, we've made the same decision. I just drew the line a bit higher. If it was truly a cost or value issue, you could get a trunk full of Lorcin, Raven and Hi-Points for the price of your 3-4 Glocks, but you didn't. Why not? They shoot. You set the bar at a certain level of quality and so did I.

Are the shoes you are wearing the cheapest shoes you could find? Do you drive the cheapest car you could find?

.45 auto isn't for everyone. 1911's aren't for everyone, let alone semi and full custom 1911's. Clearly, you don't like to carry one. I don't have an issue carrying a full size... even in the summer, and I've never owned a vest.

I still have a G30, but carry the 1911 because I like it. I've shot them for 20+ years. Because I like it I shoot it a lot. Because I shoot it a lot, I'm fairly good with one. Hell, in the mountains I carry a single action revolver for the same reasons. For me, they just point naturally. I don't even use the sights inside 20 yards or so, just look over the top of the gun. Can't do that with my Glock.

To each his own.
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Old 09-29-2012, 17:55   #43
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The virtiole is strong in this thread.

I can see both sides of this issue as I have an admitted weakness for tricked-out 1911's and AR15's.

In many cases...I see the motivation being simple vanity. There is a pretty big pool if shooters out there who honestly think a $3500 1911 will make them a better shooter in place of training and practice. The "Tactical Teddy Wannabes" as I so (okay not-so) lovingly call them.

However...I own a few high-end 1911's and a really nice Browning Hi Power done by Ted Yost, when he was still "Yost-Bonitz". Why? I like them. After a couple of decades in LE making a decent living, I reached a point in my life where I was able to afford what I wanted. I enjoy shooting them. I appreciate the crisp trigger, and beautiful fitting done by a craftsman.

That being said...I CARRY a Glock 19 99.834756298475% of the time. Why? It has been absolutely flawless in function for over 20 years and 300K rounds. I have used it on duty, off duty, in IDPA and USPSA, and now I use it almost exclusively when teaching my defensive pistol classes. I trust it 100%. Other than the Model 66 Smith & Wesson .357 I also treasure...I don't trust ANY other handgun as much as I trust my Glock. It doesn't take Doctor Phil to figure out what I am going to trust my life to.

I am a firm believer that any quality make of defensive sidearm from Glock to Ruger will outshoot the shooter. I know very darned few shooters that can outshoot the capabilities of their pistol as it comes from the factory. YES...there will be exceptions...but I believe that to be the rule, rather than the exception.

A friend of mine...deputy...carries a Les Baer Monolith. he paid a LOT of money for that peice. He has a sharks skin holster and mag pouch combo for off duty carry. I tell you...it's slick as all get out. He can barely qualify with it. If the logic that some here have presented about accuracy, and wonderfulness is true...that pistol ALONE should make him the equal of Robbie Leatham or Doug Koenig.

But...really...it all boils down to buy what you want. Carry what you want. Shoot what you want. But don't be fooled into thinking an expensive gun is any MORE capable of defending you based upon price tag alone. Personally...if I were on a tighter budget...I'd buy a Glock, M&P, XD, or SR9....and spend a LOT of money on ammo, practice, and training.
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I'm pretty much into HK's and Sig's myself.

With that said, there is nothing in this world quite like a high end 1911. Unless you've ever owned one much less shot one, you'll never understand.

It always makes me laugh when people that can't afford something nice take the time to bash what they can't have in order to convince themselves that it isn't better or that they don't need it.



I'll always have a soft spot for high end 1911's.
Amen. There is no substitute for quality in anything.
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A man can spend his own money on what ever makes him happy. What business is it of yours ?
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Why?

Cause there are few things in life as fine as running a well made 1911!
Sums it up right there
I carried my Colt Mk IV ser 80 sts, that I had put close to a hundred hours polishing and modifying to my tastes, Then bought a Kimber CS II, and proceeded to make it even nicer than the Colt.
Both carry nicely in a Milt Sparks Versa Max II, and the 2 spare mags gave me 25 rounds of 230 gr HP, in a super accurate package.
I now carry a G-17 in an MTac with a spare mag, which is lighter but a little bulkier.
will soon switch to a Gen 4 G-21
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attrapereves, I don't understand your statement: "grip safety is a negative for a defensive pistol." Would you kindly tell me what you mean? Thanks.
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