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Old 06-30-2012, 18:06   #51
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The dozens, if not hundreds, of explosions that are documented to have occurred on 9-11 itself more than satisfies the need for evidence of a controlled demolition. Only anticonspiracy kooks would say or pretend to think otherwise.

Something is mentally wrong with people who do not acknowledged the truth right before their eyes.

As I have always maintained, I understand why someone would not go along with the inside job position in order to protect their paycheck or if they were actually a part of it in the first place, but others who disagree with the mountain of evidence showing that 9-11 was not carried out by only 19 terrorists are simply useful idiots, IMHO.
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The one that gets me is the Pentagon.

I mean there was nothing left of a jumbo jet after slamming into a building?

No damage from wings hitting the sides of the main impact hole in the building?

No fuel burning for hours and hours?

Papers in the adjacent offices just blowing around and the offices?

Pretty suspect...
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Didn't think you had any evidence to offer, only rhetoric and attempts at insulting people that think differently than you do. Typical of the anticonspiracy crowd.

An aside: You may not believe this, but I respect your views and accept your nihilistic delusion towards the facts concerning 9-11. IMO, it is a decision by process, which all Americans must make for themselves. However, your juvenile rhetoric tends to have been developed while you were in the 7th grade. Highly recommend you up your game in that respect.

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Well before the tower fell, here is a video of someone being blown out of the window due to an explosion inside: WTC exploding man, A person gets blown out of the WTC by what looks like an explosion - YouTube
Yeah. It looks like someone is getting blown out of the building because something exploded.

It doesn't look like an explosion from a charge. More like a release of pressure which is very likely due to the fire.

Go watch some detonation videos. It takes a series of carefully placed charges to bering a building down. Plus saying it happens before the building fell, although correct, doesn't make it a demo explosion. We have no idea how long this happened before the buildings fell and even as they fell we saw the pressure blowing windows out.

Your stupid conspiracy holds water like a straw basket.
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The one that gets me is the Pentagon.

I mean there was nothing left of a jumbo jet after slamming into a building?

No damage from wings hitting the sides of the main impact hole in the building?

No fuel burning for hours and hours?

Papers in the adjacent offices just blowing around and the offices?

Pretty suspect...
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Do you really want to endlessly exchange websites that corroborate the opposing viewpoints?

I'll pass.

I will say this; I have not said I believe one thing or another, just that some things are worth further consideration, certainly more than just defaulting to the official party line for the answer.

Take the Osama Bin Laden thing, I mean he was the most sought after person on the planet, virtually the entire world searched for him for over 10 years, countless man hours and an infinite amount of resources were expended to find him and bring him to justice.

Then he is killed during the capture, ...okay, ...but then his body gets disposed of before any independent confirmation can be done, ...then that is attributed to some bogus Muslim tradition, ...and then the very people who killed him happen to all die in a helicopter crash...etc, etc, etc...

...stuff like that just seems pretty murky IMO...
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I'm sure Bin Laden is still alive and is the puppet master behind his Muslim cusin in the white house.
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Mmmmffft!

Sarcasm all over my screen... YUK!
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http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp

There are photos of the aircraft debris from the plane that hit the pentagon.
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The one that gets me is the Pentagon.

I mean there was nothing left of a jumbo jet after slamming into a building?

No damage from wings hitting the sides of the main impact hole in the building?

No fuel burning for hours and hours?

Papers in the adjacent offices just blowing around and the offices?

Pretty suspect...
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Uhm, yah, real suspect Yup look at all the indications that it was a bomb on the inside. All of the force directed outward.....oh...wait....there isn't any evidence of that. It looks like something crashed in to the building.


Read the snopes link posted
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Several bits of my history come into play when it comes to 9/11

I am also aware of the incredibly complex "conspiracy" that would have to take place and how long in advance the planning would have to be in place for any other answer to be possible. To have put all of the planning in the hands of 19 cretinous fanatics in order for the plan to succeed is ridiculous. To epect it was done in complete secrecy without one single person actually coming forward and saying "Yes, I took part in placing the explosives (or what ever crackpot scheme you have in mind) is ludicrous. This from a Government who couldn't hide a blow job?
Since I can't think of one thing the government hasn't screwed up I tend to believe it was not Our Governments conspiracy. Hell, they even crash a He-lo going after Bin Lade because no one thought about the walls causing an up-draft.

Now I still believe there was someone on the Grassy Noll.
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Uhm, yah, real suspect Yup look at all the indications that it was a bomb on the inside. All of the force directed outward.....oh...wait....there isn't any evidence of that. It looks like something crashed in to the building.


Read the snopes link posted
Looks to me like a very hard and deliberately overbuilt structure that was built to last and to military specs because they knew in advance that it was going to be a target by enemy forces because it was the nerve center of America's military. Further, it looks as if it was impacted by a vehicle thats constructed primarily of aluminum, because they knew in advance that it HAD to be lightweight in construction because it was a flying machine (lighter things tend to fly better, which is why kites are not made of iron). That, and it was also intended to be a passenger vessel, not a warship, and so the onus of building good aircraft is to build them as lightly as possible.

QED, this particular plane folded up like a beer can (say, aren't beer cans... Aluminum?), then burned (aluminum burns... Oh, yes it does), leaving little in the way of visual evidence of there having been an aircraft involved when viewed by the highly suspicious and self trained eyes of fire investigators and forensic analysts like Pansy Warrior and Rancho Neanderthal.

THAT IS, unless one were to look at photographs of the interior of the impact area in the "A" Ring, and see two very easily discerned travel paths of the two engines that torpedoed along because of their high density and mass after they were ripped off their wing mounts. None of which is visible from outside views... But suspicious and inquiring minds like those mentioned above would SURELY know of the photographic evidence of which I speak, because having studied this particular event in great depth and detail, they are thoroughly familiar with all aspects of the events surrounding Sep. 11th, 2001. They know, because you can't get one by on THESE guys, right?

How's that, Thumbdick? Did I address the issues like you asked me to enough? Wanna keep going?
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Do you really want to endlessly exchange websites that corroborate the opposing viewpoints?

I'll pass.
Yeah, can't have nothing like possible corroborating evidence, like the truth, that would refute what you WANT to believe.

Good job, locking that mind of yours up, close and tight!
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Do you really want to endlessly exchange websites that corroborate the opposing viewpoints?

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Yes, that can be quite tiring to a man of faith like yourself. trying to keep up with all the objections to your belief system.

BTW "Plane parts' are facts. Saying "they were planted" is speculation. Someone else saying "that's right" is just two people speculating, not corroberation.
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LOL, geeze, you guys are too much, like a couple rabid dogs just looking for someone to pounce on...

Whatever, again I have no particular belief system with respect to these things, I do feel like there are many things about which we don't have all the information, or the information we do have is suspect, and so I am willing to remain open about it...

Simple as that.
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LOL, geeze, you guys are too much, like a couple rabid dogs just looking for someone to pounce on...

Whatever, again I have no particular belief system with respect to these things, I do feel like there are many things about which we don't have all the information, or the information we do have is suspect, and so I am willing to remain open about it...

Simple as that.

There are at least a couple of us, do we qualify for the

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hint hint: The word rhetoric can also be used as a noun described by an adjective/adverb.

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Ugh, college kids/recent grads...

IIRC, we, as in you and I, have gone over something similar to this once before. Okay, I understand the definition of the word rhetoric. If I mistakenly did not use it clearly with an adjective/adverb, then, "Oops I goofed." mea culpa
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The one that gets me is the Pentagon.

I mean there was nothing left of a jumbo jet after slamming into a building?

No damage from wings hitting the sides of the main impact hole in the building?

No fuel burning for hours and hours?

Papers in the adjacent offices just blowing around and the offices?

Pretty suspect...
A few days later the pentagon officials gave the world photographs of assorted plane parts amidst the debris caused by the missile. You'd think they would have realized ahead of time the need to go by an aircraft bone-yard somewhere and get some actual plane parts, but hey, this is our gubmint officials we are talking about, so I understand their oversight and delay in providing "the evidence."

The responding firemen/EMT's decided to keep their jobs and now they won't speak with ANYONE about what they witnessed at the pentagon. IIRC, two or three firefighters had scheduled interviews with the media, but they interviews were nixed by the ones that keep their paychecks coming.
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There are at least a couple of us, do we qualify for the

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You guys are the anti-conspiracy nuts. Make your own shirts.
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You may have forgotten or be too young to remember; but I wasn't.

Read this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html
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What also bothered me, when I looked into the facts concerning the pentagon damage, was the fact that prior to the floors/roof collapsing, there was only a roughly 20 feet diameter hole in the outer wall of the E-ring.

A 757, hitting at a roughly 45 to 50 degree angle (i.e., juxtaposed to the surface itself), flying between 350-400 mph ground speed, creates a roughly 20 feet diameter hole, into which the officials story advises that an engine continues on through 3 wings of the pentagon, or a total of at least 7 feet (6 walls at 14" each) of concrete, and subsequently punches a roughly 12 feet diameter hole into the C-ring's "inner wall."

I could not find an engine or substantial engine parts in any of the photos depicting the C-ring's exit hole and debris found around it.

No thanks, I ain't buying it.
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You may have forgotten or be too young to remember; but I wasn't.

Read this: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137095,00.html
bin laden never claimed responsibility. When translated correctly, the tape shows that bin laden and others were only speaking ABOUT the 9-11 events.

You, and the rest of us, have been lied to by those covering up this whole thing.
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Of course you didn't. You have neither the access to the science nor the acumen. Two engines, made of steel and titanium and spinning at full thrust (Read: Many thousands of RPM) will not only continue on further than an aluminum tube that is the fuselage, bit will disassemble itself via centrifugal force. The main mass will be there, but now you have it in the form of a high speed cloud of metal. This is the exact same effect that occurs with frangible bullets.

You wouldn't know an engine part from a bowl of petunias anyway, let alone in a poorly lit debris field inside a hardened structure.
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The engine was the LAST coverup story offered to the public. First, it was the nose of the aircraft that punched the hole. Then someone asked the "stupid" question, "Can an aircraft nose, which is made up of reinforced polymers break through 7 feet of concrete?" After realizing how stupidly weak their coverup story was, officials changed the story to advise it was the "bulk of the plane's fuselage and contents. Again, someone asked another "stupid" question.

Finally, the officials began advising it was an engine, notably they've never said which engine, that punched through AT LEAST 7 feet of concrete, but was not visible at or near the last hole it supposedly made.


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Of course you didn't. You have neither the access to the science nor the acumen. Two engines, made of steel and titanium and spinning at full thrust (Read: Many thousands of RPM) will not only continue on further than an aluminum tube that is the fuselage, bit will disassemble itself via centrifugal force. The main mass will be there, but now you have it in the form of a high speed cloud of metal. This is the exact same effect that occurs with frangible bullets.

You wouldn't know an engine part from a bowl of petunias anyway, let alone in a poorly lit debris field inside a hardened structure.
Regardless of your actual ignorance, you continue to chime away showing how little you actually know. Others may tell you you're smart, but you've yet to come close to demonstrating your self professed intelligence here.

Now, it was either an aircraft engine, or a missile, but not a frangible bullet. To even think about placing a frangible bullet into this discussion shows the height of your ignorance.

OTOH, I agree a missile can create a "cloud" of metal, through the carefully planned use of explosives, but this is supposed to be an aircraft engine off of a 757. I'm not an aircraft engineer, but even if a 757 could create a cloud of metal, how do you explain this cloud going through AT LEAST 5' 10" of concrete? (5' 10" of concrete minus the MINIMUM thickness of the first wall)
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Yeah. It looks like someone is getting blown out of the building because something exploded.

It doesn't look like an explosion from a charge. More like a release of pressure which is very likely due to the fire.

Go watch some detonation videos. It takes a series of carefully placed charges to bering a building down. Plus saying it happens before the building fell, although correct, doesn't make it a demo explosion. We have no idea how long this happened before the buildings fell and even as they fell we saw the pressure blowing windows out.

Your stupid conspiracy holds water like a straw basket.
Okay, we've determined you'll deny the evidence slapping you in the face as this happened on the day of 9-11, the same day we have hundreds of eyewitness/ear-witness reports of explosions, with recorded video and audio, from 9-11, backing up their testimonies, and all of this on the same day that THREE, steel framed skyscrapers collapsed from the effects of fire, which has never happened before 9-11, and has not happened since 9-11. Additionally, one of these buildings collapsed at free fall speed (i.e., 7-WTC) and the other two collapsed at almost free fall speed (i.e., 1 & 2 WTC).

Yeah, the cause of that person on the video being blown out of that window, on 9-11, was not an explosion from a planted charge. Oh yeah...
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