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Old 07-03-2012, 05:40   #101
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You're not so bored that you couldn't resist PMing me to say you're ignoring me... and regarding that, your suspicions of who all may be in contact with me regarding this magnum opus to paranoia are way off base, as are your hackneyed attempts to assign symptoms of issues you project on to me (which are hilarious, by the way).

Yeah, six paragraphs saying the equivalent of "LALALALALALALALAICANTHEARYOUIMNOTLISTENING!!!" via PM means one thing, and that is that you have no spine. You talk a good game, but you can't back your talk. So you're either wrong, inane, or completely fulla crap. Most likely all three...

You can't ignore me, Elizabeth, not in an open forum of ideas and debate based on facts. You can't even back your assertions without getting personal, a tactic usually employed by PETA, Rosie O'Donnell, or the Million Moms.

You throw down the Gauntlet, you can expect your challenge will be met by me or any other number of like minds on this board. You don't like the responses you get? Then shut your damn mouth. Go peddle your delusions on another site.
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Old 07-03-2012, 09:17   #102
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You're not so bored that you couldn't resist PMing me to say you're ignoring me... and regarding that, your suspicions of who all may be in contact with me regarding this magnum opus to paranoia are way off base, as are your hackneyed attempts to assign symptoms of issues you project on to me (which are hilarious, by the way).

Yeah, six paragraphs saying the equivalent of "LALALALALALALALAICANTHEARYOUIMNOTLISTENING!!!" via PM means one thing, and that is that you have no spine. You talk a good game, but you can't back your talk. So you're either wrong, inane, or completely fulla crap. Most likely all three...

You can't ignore me, Elizabeth, not in an open forum of ideas and debate based on facts. You can't even back your assertions without getting personal, a tactic usually employed by PETA, Rosie O'Donnell, or the Million Moms.

You throw down the Gauntlet, you can expect your challenge will be met by me or any other number of like minds on this board. You don't like the responses you get? Then shut your damn mouth. Go peddle your delusions on another site.
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FACT: Nineteen Islamic Jihadists hijacked four commercial airliners with the intent of crashing them into pre-selected targets in a direct attack on the United States of America. ...
FACT: At least seven of the 19 people, on the list purported to have been the hijackers, were found alive and well.

To one of these people from the list, our government has profusely apologized, and IMO, rightly so.

ETA: None of the suspects' names, from the list of 19, appeared on any of the official passenger lists or manifests, but yet one of their passports was supposedly found near the impacts of 1 & 2 WTC buildings
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FACT: ... Their movements within this and other countries have been documented and thoroughly investigated by U.S. and foreign intelligence agencies. Their trial runs on commercial flights prior to the actual attack have been well proven via videotapes, computer records, and eyewitness testimony of flight crews, ticketing agents and passengers. ...
FACT: The photos we were shown, of several 9-11 hijackers going through airport security were made while the alleged hijackers were in Oregon. No photos have been released that show ANY of the hijackers boarding planes in the East, at their respective airports of departure, the morning of 9-11.

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FACT: ...Their identities and personal histories are rock solid. ...
FACT: No alleged hijackers' remains were ever located at the crash sites. Their identities are all in question as mentioned before, at least seven of the alleged hijackers were found alive and well AFTER 9-11.

The entire 9-11 event was most likely a PsyOp/false flag operation from start to finish.
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... FACT: Three of the airliners were successfully used to attack WTC1, WTC2 and the Pentagon. ...
FACT: Two aircraft impacted with 1 & 2 WTC buildings. It is impossible for the two aircraft that made impact with these two buildings to have been either AA Flight 11, or UA Flight 175.

With regards to AA Flight 11 hitting 2-WTC, the impossibility stems from both photos and videos of a plane, but clearly neither AA Flight 11, nor an AA aircraft, making impact with 2-WTC; additionally, with regards to UA Flight 175, recorded ACARS data from UA Flight 175 on the morning of 9-11, shows it to be "alive, well, and flying" outside of the New York City area AFTER THE KNOWN TIME OF IMPACT of an aircraft into 1-WTC.

There is no doubt that on 09-11-2001, two aircraft made impacts with 1 & 2 WTC buildings respectively, but the evidence shows conclusively that neither aircraft could have been AA Flight 11, nor UA Flight 175.


FACT: No photo or video of ANY aircraft, much less graphic material showing AA Flight 77, has ever been presented or made available to the public concerning what caused damage to the Pentagon on 9-11. (NOTE: Photos that have been released showing a spiraled "smoke trail," which seems is more indicative of a modern missile's rocket motor exhaust than a 757 engine after just receiving FOD from a collision with a street lamp.)
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... FACT: The air traffic recordings, black boxes, and eyewitness accounts all cohesively document their terminal flight paths into the intended targets. ...
FACT: An eyewitness who watched the impact of the aircraft with 2-WTC, whom was also a Fox news reporter, reported live that it was not a commercial airliner. he further reported that on its side the aircraft had a round, blue insignia, but that it had no windows.

FACT: The ACARS messaging system, utilized by commercial airliners since since the late 70's, indicates that UA Flight 175 was closer to Pittsburgh, Penn, than it was to New York, New York, roughly twenty minutes AFTER an aircraft was known to have made impact with 1-WTC.


This ACARS data does not indicate which specific aircraft made impact with 1-WTC, but it shows conclusively that it could NOT have been UA Flight 175.

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... FACT: ...One plane was successfully deterred from its’ target due to the heroic actions of the passengers on board. It plummeted straight down into a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania. ...
FACT: UA Flight 93 was recognized by Air Traffic Control (hereafter: ATC) as airborne after the alleged impact time of 10:03AM.

ATC personnel understood and recognized UA Flight 93 as having an altitude due to it transponder being active. Professional pilots advise that transponders will NOT report an altitude to ATC after a crash, and especially not after a crash such as was supposed to have been sustained by UA Flight 93 in/near Shanksville.

ATC personnel further confirmed, through the use of radar, UA Flight 93's position as having been North-39 51, by West-78 46, and they did so AFTER the alleged 10:03AM time of impact. (NOTE: This longitude and latitude coordinate point is several miles beyond the alleged crash sight in Pennsylvania.)
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Old 07-03-2012, 12:26   #106
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FACT: No alleged hijackers' remains were ever located at the crash sites. Their identities are all in question as mentioned before, at least seven of the alleged hijackers were found alive and well AFTER 9-11.
Not a "Fact" at all and an outright distortion of the obvious. I took the liberty, of peruseing some of the nutbar conspiracy sites that are obviously sites of worship to you. Some of the most unique fiction on the planet.

Just go to the simple Wiki site and read the story. Here are some highligts pertaining to you allegation.

"Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the

remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was

part of a backbone"

That was going to make identification difficult.

"Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg)"

"All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21."

"The remains of the hijackers, identified by the process of elimination, were turned over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation"



Now it is a total joke to try and make hay out of the fact that the hijaker's remains were identified by "process of elimination". How else were they going to do it?? Very few of ANY of the passengers were identified by any means short of DNA. They all were finally with the cooperation of their families and DNA samples.

4 people hijacked the plane and there were 4 "sets" of remains unidentified and no DNA samples or comparators from family members.

Now, just how in the heck you can spin all of that into your "conspiracy theory I do not know. The identified remains account for the known passengers and crew, and four "left over" account for the 4 hijackers.

Based on the real FACTS
I call your statement,

"No alleged hijackers' remains were ever located at the crash sites. Their identities are all in question as mentioned before"

a blatant lie, and the "Question" is about as significant as a question about their middle initials.
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Lately, I've been seeing a resurgence of decals posted publicly that state "9-11 was an inside job"...

Forgetting the grammar and syntax (or the subject, or the premise, specifically), why would somebody think that the best venue for revealing the truth the people is via a sticker on a stop sign near Amish country?

Things what make ya go "Hmmm...".
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FACT: The World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks were the most diligently investigated crime scenes in modern history. Literally thousands of the best investigators in the world were involved. Tons of physical evidence was recovered, vouchered and tested. Everyone involved was highly motivated to see it through to a proper and just conclusion. No shortcuts were taken, no overtime caps were imposed, and no one was directing what the final conclusions were to be. The results of the WTC investigation, both criminal and structural are extremely well documented and based solely upon the evidence that was present at the scenes.


IN ORDER FOR THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TO BE CORRECT;

The thousands of experienced and dedicated investigators from the FBI, ATF, USSS, NYPD, FDNY, CIA and quite a few other agencies are all;

SUPREMELY INCOMPETENT

OR

CO-CONSPIRATORS

Think about that please. While you consider it remember that MANY of those investigators lost family, friends, loved ones and co-workers in the attack.
Go with the physical evidence and the experience of those conducting the investigation.
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FACT: The World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks were the most diligently investigated crime scenes in modern history. Literally thousands of the best investigators in the world were involved. Tons of physical evidence was recovered, vouchered and tested. Everyone involved was highly motivated to see it through to a proper and just conclusion. No shortcuts were taken, no overtime caps were imposed, and no one was directing what the final conclusions were to be. The results of the WTC investigation, both criminal and structural are extremely well documented and based solely upon the evidence that was present at the scenes.


IN ORDER FOR THE CONSPIRACY THEORISTS TO BE CORRECT;

The thousands of experienced and dedicated investigators from the FBI, ATF, USSS, NYPD, FDNY, CIA and quite a few other agencies are all;

SUPREMELY INCOMPETENT

OR

CO-CONSPIRATORS

Think about that please. While you consider it remember that MANY of those investigators lost family, friends, loved ones and co-workers in the attack.
Go with the physical evidence and the experience of those conducting the investigation.

And this^^^^^ Boys and Girls is the absolute truth. Anyone who claims it isn't is lying, either because of an unscrupulous agenda or mental illness.

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Emphasis on the mental illness...
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You are insulting the mentally ill.
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You are insulting the mentally ill.

Indeed, I am certain that ther are some of the folks pushing this crap, that are just being dishonest, and merely faking the mental illness required to claim the Conspiracy theories are credible.
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Not a "Fact" at all and an outright distortion of the obvious. I took the liberty, of peruseing some of the nutbar conspiracy sites that are obviously sites of worship to you. Some of the most unique fiction on the planet.

Just go to the simple Wiki site and read the story. Here are some highligts pertaining to you allegation.

"Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the

remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was

part of a backbone"

That was going to make identification difficult.

"Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg)"

"All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21."

"The remains of the hijackers, identified by the process of elimination, were turned over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation"



Now it is a total joke to try and make hay out of the fact that the hijaker's remains were identified by "process of elimination". How else were they going to do it?? Very few of ANY of the passengers were identified by any means short of DNA. They all were finally with the cooperation of their families and DNA samples.

4 people hijacked the plane and there were 4 "sets" of remains unidentified and no DNA samples or comparators from family members.

Now, just how in the heck you can spin all of that into your "conspiracy theory I do not know. The identified remains account for the known passengers and crew, and four "left over" account for the 4 hijackers.

Based on the real FACTS
I call your statement,

"No alleged hijackers' remains were ever located at the crash sites. Their identities are all in question as mentioned before"

a blatant lie, and the "Question" is about as significant as a question about their middle initials.
Hidden in obscurity is that you never mention the actual flight/plane/crash sight this information you're posting above is about. Is it just this one flight/plane/crash sight? If it is, then I'm right about the other three, or make that two.

Anyway, once you identify the correct flight/plane/crash sight you are referencing in post above, I'll be glad to address this simple slight of hand you are offering in order to avoid the FACT that the hijackers' remains were never actually identified.
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Hidden in obscurity is that you never mention the actual flight/plane/crash sight this information you're posting above is about. Is it just this one flight/plane/crash sight? If it is, then I'm right about the other three, or make that two.

Anyway, once you identify the correct flight/plane/crash sight you are referencing in post above, I'll be glad to address this simple slight of hand you are offering in order to avoid the FACT that the hijackers' remains were never actually identified.
Imagine you are on an airplane that is flying into a building at around 500mph. Not only that but you have a front row seat.

After the crash, fire, collapse of the building and several days of fire. How much of you do you think they will find?

And yet some people were identified.

Keep trying.
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Imagine you are on an airplane that is flying into a building at around 500mph. Not only that but you have a front row seat.

After the crash, fire, collapse of the building and several days of fire. How much of you do you think they will find?

And yet some people were identified.

Keep trying.
All the passengers have been identified. The terrorists have NOT been identified. But now you're just straining at a knat gnat and swallowing a camel.

See, I do NOT have to prove who was or wasn't on board the panes. I don't even have to know where the planes are today. Heck, one or all of the planes, supposedly lost on 9-11, may be in 1200 feet of water off the East coast. My position does not need these things as my position is NOT the same as the government. Simply put, I don't have to defend their official story.

You and the official government story cover up are in agreement. Therefore, it is incumbent upon you to explain why the planes were flying AWAY from their supposed crash sights AFTER the time of impacts. How do you explain this FACT away?

Anyone who believes 19 terrorists, which at least 7 of these 19 terrorists are still alive and well, could fly 3 planes into buildings on 9-11 and cause one additional plane to crash into a field, after realizing and knowing that at least three (i.e., UA Flight 93; Shanksville, UA Flight 175; 1-WTC, & AA Flight 11; 2-WTC) of the four planes are documented, by ATC personnel, radar, and or the ACARS flight systems, to have still been flying after their supposed impact times is simply being "dumb on purpose."

For the record, IMHO, one who wants to be dumb on purpose has every right to be so, and to a degree I'll defend that one's right so to be, BUT, that one should not expect me to be dumb on purpose with 'em, which is what you anti-conspiracy kooks want.

I ain't buying the official story. Any rational, intelligent person couldn't buy such a foolish explanation in the face of so much contradictory evidence.
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Hidden in obscurity is that you never mention the actual flight/plane/crash sight this information you're posting above is about. Is it just this one flight/plane/crash sight? If it is, then I'm right about the other three, or make that two.

Anyway, once you identify the correct flight/plane/crash sight you are referencing in post above, I'll be glad to address this simple slight of hand you are offering in order to avoid the FACT that the hijackers' remains were never actually identified.
in the first place I was exposing a deliberate lie. There were four sets of remains left unidentified as to name, and there were four hijackers. You can't get around that.

Do you happen to have DNA samples you can send in to use as comparators for the 4 bags of what was left of the hijackers?

I am glad you chose to respond because it gives me the opportunity to say something I was waiting to.

You obviously think that the Government was capable of setting this whole frigging conspiracy up. They found people willing to die to carry it out, they planted explosives in a heavily used building with nobody noticing. They apparently found th hundreds of people, including the after event investigators, will to carry it out and keep quiet about it and or lie to cover it up,

but,

in all of that, with all the planning, lies, secrecy and murder, they couldn't come up with bodies or remains that THEY COULD IDENTIFY? Or they couldn't JUST LIE about identifying the remains? What, that would be going too far after murder on a grand scale? AND REMEMBER THIS WELL. the only reason you know that the remains weren't identified by name is because OF THE HONESTY OF THE PEOPLE DOING THE INVESTIGATION. They would have had to lie about everything else to make your theory work so I doubt whipping up some bodies or faking some ID would be undoable.get DNA to confirm.



"slight of hand"? It's all over your claims, and not done very well either.

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in the first place I was exposing a deliberate lie. There were four sets of remains left unidentified as to name, and there were four hijackers. You can't get around that.

Do you happen to have DNA samples you can send in to use as comparators for the 4 bags of what was left of the hijackers?

I am glad you chose to respond because it gives me the opportunity to say something I was waiting to.

You obviously think that the Government was capable of setting this whole frigging conspiracy up. They found people willing to die to carry it out, they planted explosives in a heavily used building with nobody noticing. They apparently found th hundreds of people, including the after event investigators, will to carry it out and keep quiet about it and or lie to cover it up,

but,

in all of that, with all the planning, lies, secrecy and murder, they couldn't come up with bodies or remains that THEY COULD IDENTIFY? Or they couldn't JUST LIE about identifying the remains? What, that would be going too far after murder on a grand scale? AND REMEMBER THIS WELL. the only reason you know that the remains weren't identified by name is because OF THE HONESTY OF THE PEOPLE DOING THE INVESTIGATION. They would have had to lie about everything else to make your theory work so I doubt whipping up some bodies or faking some ID would be undoable.get DNA to confirm.



"slight of hand"? It's all over your claims, and not done very well either.
Let me make this an extremely simple question.

Which flight/plane/crash sight are you referring to in this post and the post previous?

For the second time, which one?



Waiting.....................
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And I'm still waiting for you to name just two out of the thousands of experts you posited.
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Which flight/plane/crash sight are you referring to in this post and the post previous?

For the second time, which one?



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