Would You Take Away Guns From Law-Abiding Citizens?

snerd · 07-02-2012, 01:52

Roy Huntington at American Handgunner Magazine is conducting a poll and posted in American Cop Magazine.......

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I was asked to write about this a long while ago, back when I was still a cop. I wrote the article and stated: I would not do it and, yes, I’d risk the consequences. I signed my name to the article, and my agency knew it. I also said I didn’t feel the vast majority of my LE peers would participate if they felt they were given an unlawful order to confiscate guns. But today? I honestly don’t know what would happen. What’s your opinion? You tell me.

By Roy Huntington

Reach me through the editor@americanhandgunner.com and I anxiously await your mail.

http://www.americancopmagazine.com/will-you-do-it/

**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 04:40

I, and about 5000 friends from 1st Cav were asked to do exactly that by the LA governor and the NO Mayor. We said no. Too bad everyone else didn't say no. Most did, but some didn't.

Ruble Noon · 07-02-2012, 05:34

Interesting comments section.

certifiedfunds · 07-02-2012, 06:38

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Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

I, and about 5000 friends from 1st Cav were asked to do exactly that by the LA governor and the NO Mayor. We said no. Too bad everyone else didn't say no. Most did, but some didn't.

Hats off to you and the 1st Cav, Doc.

HexHead · 07-02-2012, 06:58

It should be noted that in the wake of the Katrina gun grab, several states passed laws banning gun confiscations during emergencies. TN was one of them.

The Machinist · 07-02-2012, 08:11

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Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

I, and about 5000 friends from 1st Cav were asked to do exactly that by the LA governor and the NO Mayor. We said no. Too bad everyone else didn't say no. Most did, but some didn't.

God bless you! That was the act of a patriot.

**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 08:17

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Hats off to you and the 1st Cav, Doc.

No sweat, it's not difficult NOT doing bad things.

JBnTX · 07-02-2012, 08:19

Why doesn't Roy Huntington post a public poll instead of having LEO's contact him privately, where the results will only be known to him?

Sounds like a limp wristed way of making sure it's safe before going public with the information?

I'm betting that the majority of police officers will follow orders
and confiscate all firearms when told to do so.

Cops will talk smack on the internet, but in real life they'll do what they're told. They'll put themselves first and not risk their jobs.

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**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 08:21

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Originally Posted by The Machinist

God bless you! That was the act of a patriot.

Maybe I'm mistaken. But I sense you are being a bit over the top. That call was made without hesitation by the task force commander supported unanimously by all the staff.

It's an illustration of the complete inadequacy and ignorance of the New Orleans and Louisiana elected government.

We also refused to forcibly evacuate citizens. Posse comitatus and the 2nd amendment trumped their requests, that's all.

rgregoryb · 07-02-2012, 08:23

I am retired now, but as a LEO I would never confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens

**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 08:25

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

Why doesn't Roy Huntington post a public poll instead of having LEO's contact him privately, where the results will only be known to him?

Sounds like a limp wristed way of making sure it's safe before going public with the information?

I'm betting that the majority of police officers will follow orders
and confiscate all firearms when told to do so.

Cops will talk smack on the internet, but in real life they'll do what they're told.

A lot of that would depend on where you are. An urban cop in Chicago would probably not go the same way as a rural Constible in Texas.

The Machinist · 07-02-2012, 08:30

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Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

Maybe I'm mistaken. But I sense you are being a bit over the top. That call was made without hesitation by the task force commander supported unanimously by all the staff.

I meant what I said, Doc.

**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 08:41

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Originally Posted by The Machinist

I meant what I said, Doc.

Sorry, my bad.

bruzer · 07-02-2012, 09:59

This is the problem as I see it. Laws will be enacted. Not over night but over time. The Law Abiding Citizen will eventually become the law breaker if they don't voluntarily give up their guns when asked to do so. So when the Government moves in to confiscate guns they will be acting within the laws. You and I are now criminals and no longer Law Abiding Citizens. So when the question is asked, "Would you take away guns from Law-Abiding Citizens?". The answer is of coarse, "No". But unfortunately we will become the criminals when the time is right.
Good luck and stay safe,
Mike

Gunhaver · 07-02-2012, 10:31

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Originally Posted by bruzer

This is the problem as I see it. Laws will be enacted. Not over night but over time. The Law Abiding Citizen will eventually become the law breaker if they don't voluntarily give up their guns when asked to do so. So when the Government moves in to confiscate guns they will be acting within the laws. You and I are now criminals and no longer Law Abiding Citizens. So when the question is asked, "Would you take away guns from Law-Abiding Citizens?". The answer is of coarse, "No". But unfortunately we will become the criminals when the time is right.
Good luck and stay safe,
Mike

That's exactly it right there. Most cops would tell you that they think a 15 round mag is not too many for a civilian to have in his gun at one time but I'll bet every last one in California would bust you for having one. It's not about what they think is right. It's about the opportunity to make an arrest. Shotgun barrel a 1/4" too short? Snapped a foregrip on your Glock rail? Don't have just the right mix of import and domestic parts on your AK? If a cop catches you chances are it's jail time. Has nothing to do with lethality or anything other than what the legislators agreed on as far as the cops are concerned.

I have no reason to believe it would be any different if semi-autos or polymer frames or laser sights or just firearms altogether were made illegal.

Ruble Noon · 07-02-2012, 10:33

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver

That's exactly it right there. Most cops would tell you that they think a 15 round mag is not too many for a civilian to have in his gun at one time but I'll bet every last one in California would bust you for having one. It's not about what they think is right. It's about the opportunity to make an arrest. Shotgun barrel a 1/4" too short? Snapped a foregrip on your Glock rail? Don't have just the right mix of import and domestic parts on your AK? If a cop catches you chances are it's jail time. Has nothing to do with lethality or anything other than what the legislators agreed on as far as the cops are concerned.

I have no reason to believe it would be any different if semi-autos or polymer frames or laser sights or just firearms altogether were made illegal.

You support wealth confiscation so why not gun confiscation.

Gunhaver · 07-02-2012, 11:05

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Originally Posted by Ruble Noon

You support wealth confiscation so why not gun confiscation.

You gonna follow me all around the forum shoving that up my a** now? This here is a different thread.

For 9 years now I've been a firearms instructor with a lot of liberal friends and I've been an ambassador to the shooting sports to every one of them. I have a standing offer to all my friends and anyone they know to come to the range with me and shoot a free box of ammo just to show them how much fun it can be. I've probably spent several thousand dollars on ammo in that time. I have 12 pistols and 3 rifles for them to choose from and I'd estimate that I'm personally responsible for convincing well over 100 people to go purchase their own handgun and more than half of them have gotten carry permits. I find my method much more effective than standing around here preaching to the choir. Last I checked this was a firearms forum, not an Obamacare haters forum.

So would you have me go back and unravel all that effort? Let every one of them know that the gun owners on Glocktalk don't want their support unless their political leanings all fall right in line with the GOP? All because you can't handle the fact that I have a sick friend and thought maybe ACA wouldn't be such a bad thing for her?

Some of you guys here are exactly what keeps a lot of people from wanting to learn anything about guns because you're exactly what they envision when they think of a gun owner. I guarantee that I've done a lot more to further the Second Amendment that you have but you could maybe catch up with me just by keeping your mouth shut for the next 9 years.

**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver

You gonna follow me all around the forum shoving that up my a** now? This here is a different thread.

See, that's the problem. We all remember what you say in all the threads you post in, and will consider what you say forever more in that context. Don't fret about it, be comfortable in your own skin.

snerd · 07-02-2012, 11:25

Statements have consequences.

Walt_NC · 07-02-2012, 11:39

Noncompliace with an illegal order is easy. More difficult hypothitical scenario:

Let's say that the Constitution was amended in a legal manner so as to revoke and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Laws were passed prohibiting ownership of firearms and requiring them to be relinquished.

Would you, as a hypothetical cop, then obey your sworn oath to the rule of law and carry out the lawful order to confiscate guns?

**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 11:43

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Originally Posted by Gunhaver

Some of you guys here are exactly what keeps a lot of people from wanting to learn anything about guns because you're exactly what they envision when they think of a gun owner. I guarantee that I've done a lot more to further the Second Amendment that you have but you could maybe catch up with me just by keeping your mouth shut for the next 9 years.

Nice claim, that you could not possibly know if it is correct. We all know how highly you think of yourself.

I doubt any of us are stopping any law abiding citizen from partaking in firearms enthusiasm. This is GTPI, not the carry issues forum. Don't mistake disapproval of your Marxist philosophy with disagreeing with your possible pro-RKBA positions.

**Cavalry Doc** · 07-02-2012, 11:58

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Originally Posted by Walt_NC

Noncompliace with an illegal order is easy. More difficult hypothitical scenario:

Let's say that the Constitution was amended in a legal manner so as to revoke and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Laws were passed prohibiting ownership of firearms and requiring them to be relinquished.

Would you, as a hypothetical cop, then obey your sworn oath to the rule of law and carry out the lawful order to confiscate guns?

I have a better hypothetical situation. Let's suppose the gun grabbers tried to amend the constitution in that manner, but we stopped them instead.

Gunhaver · 07-02-2012, 12:07

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Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

Nice claim, that you could not possibly know if it is correct. We all know how highly you think of yourself.

I doubt any of us are stopping any law abiding citizen from partaking in firearms enthusiasm. This is GTPI, not the carry issues forum. Don't mistake disapproval of your Marxist philosophy with disagreeing with your possible pro-RKBA positions.

Do Marxists vote republican about 75% of the time and talk people into buying guns? You guys sure have fun with your labels. So you're cool with me popping up in any old thread and saying, "Hey Doc, remember that time you went on for 89 pages about how atheism was a religion because Websters dictionary said so and you couldn't wrap your head around the concept that it isn't and everyone was just wishing the thread would die but you wouldn't let it? Ha! What were you thinking? Good times man."

Of course I never would because that would be kinda D-baggish of me.

But I should have known better. I've been here long enough to know the drill. Express a difference of political opinion and get descended upon by a pack of hyenas. I wonder how many more members GT would have if that weren't the case. Wonder how much more money Eric would make.

rgregoryb · 07-02-2012, 12:15

but if the cops confiscated the guns and gave them to the less fortunate, would that be OK?

Walt_NC · 07-02-2012, 12:59

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Originally Posted by Cavalry Doc

I have a better hypothetical situation. Let's suppose the gun grabbers tried to amend the constitution in that manner, but we stopped them instead.

Congratulations on your hypothetical victory.

But back to the very serious question posed by this thread: if the Constitution were legally and properly amended, following all procedures and protocols to result in the abolishing of the second amendment and then laws were passed to ban ownership of guns, would you obey your oath to the president, constitution, et al and execute a legitimate and lawful order to confiscate guns from otherwise law-abiding citizens?