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Old 07-02-2012, 01:52   #1
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Would You Take Away Guns From Law-Abiding Citizens?

Roy Huntington at American Handgunner Magazine is conducting a poll and posted in American Cop Magazine.......
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I was asked to write about this a long while ago, back when I was still a cop. I wrote the article and stated: I would not do it and, yes, Iíd risk the consequences. I signed my name to the article, and my agency knew it. I also said I didnít feel the vast majority of my LE peers would participate if they felt they were given an unlawful order to confiscate guns. But today? I honestly donít know what would happen. Whatís your opinion? You tell me.

By Roy Huntington

Reach me through the editor@americanhandgunner.com and I anxiously await your mail.

http://www.americancopmagazine.com/will-you-do-it/
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I, and about 5000 friends from 1st Cav were asked to do exactly that by the LA governor and the NO Mayor. We said no. Too bad everyone else didn't say no. Most did, but some didn't.
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Interesting comments section.
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Old 07-02-2012, 06:38   #4
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I, and about 5000 friends from 1st Cav were asked to do exactly that by the LA governor and the NO Mayor. We said no. Too bad everyone else didn't say no. Most did, but some didn't.
Hats off to you and the 1st Cav, Doc.
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Old 07-02-2012, 06:58   #5
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It should be noted that in the wake of the Katrina gun grab, several states passed laws banning gun confiscations during emergencies. TN was one of them.
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:11   #6
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I, and about 5000 friends from 1st Cav were asked to do exactly that by the LA governor and the NO Mayor. We said no. Too bad everyone else didn't say no. Most did, but some didn't.
God bless you! That was the act of a patriot.
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Hats off to you and the 1st Cav, Doc.
No sweat, it's not difficult NOT doing bad things.
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:19   #8
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Why doesn't Roy Huntington post a public poll instead of having LEO's contact him privately, where the results will only be known to him?

Sounds like a limp wristed way of making sure it's safe before going public with the information?

I'm betting that the majority of police officers will follow orders
and confiscate all firearms when told to do so.

Cops will talk smack on the internet, but in real life they'll do what they're told. They'll put themselves first and not risk their jobs.

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God bless you! That was the act of a patriot.
Maybe I'm mistaken. But I sense you are being a bit over the top. That call was made without hesitation by the task force commander supported unanimously by all the staff.

It's an illustration of the complete inadequacy and ignorance of the New Orleans and Louisiana elected government.

We also refused to forcibly evacuate citizens. Posse comitatus and the 2nd amendment trumped their requests, that's all.
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Old 07-02-2012, 08:23   #10
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I am retired now, but as a LEO I would never confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens
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Why doesn't Roy Huntington post a public poll instead of having LEO's contact him privately, where the results will only be known to him?

Sounds like a limp wristed way of making sure it's safe before going public with the information?

I'm betting that the majority of police officers will follow orders
and confiscate all firearms when told to do so.

Cops will talk smack on the internet, but in real life they'll do what they're told.
A lot of that would depend on where you are. An urban cop in Chicago would probably not go the same way as a rural Constible in Texas.
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Maybe I'm mistaken. But I sense you are being a bit over the top. That call was made without hesitation by the task force commander supported unanimously by all the staff.
I meant what I said, Doc.
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I meant what I said, Doc.
Sorry, my bad.
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Old 07-02-2012, 09:59   #14
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This is the problem as I see it. Laws will be enacted. Not over night but over time. The Law Abiding Citizen will eventually become the law breaker if they don't voluntarily give up their guns when asked to do so. So when the Government moves in to confiscate guns they will be acting within the laws. You and I are now criminals and no longer Law Abiding Citizens. So when the question is asked, "Would you take away guns from Law-Abiding Citizens?". The answer is of coarse, "No". But unfortunately we will become the criminals when the time is right.
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This is the problem as I see it. Laws will be enacted. Not over night but over time. The Law Abiding Citizen will eventually become the law breaker if they don't voluntarily give up their guns when asked to do so. So when the Government moves in to confiscate guns they will be acting within the laws. You and I are now criminals and no longer Law Abiding Citizens. So when the question is asked, "Would you take away guns from Law-Abiding Citizens?". The answer is of coarse, "No". But unfortunately we will become the criminals when the time is right.
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That's exactly it right there. Most cops would tell you that they think a 15 round mag is not too many for a civilian to have in his gun at one time but I'll bet every last one in California would bust you for having one. It's not about what they think is right. It's about the opportunity to make an arrest. Shotgun barrel a 1/4" too short? Snapped a foregrip on your Glock rail? Don't have just the right mix of import and domestic parts on your AK? If a cop catches you chances are it's jail time. Has nothing to do with lethality or anything other than what the legislators agreed on as far as the cops are concerned.

I have no reason to believe it would be any different if semi-autos or polymer frames or laser sights or just firearms altogether were made illegal.
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That's exactly it right there. Most cops would tell you that they think a 15 round mag is not too many for a civilian to have in his gun at one time but I'll bet every last one in California would bust you for having one. It's not about what they think is right. It's about the opportunity to make an arrest. Shotgun barrel a 1/4" too short? Snapped a foregrip on your Glock rail? Don't have just the right mix of import and domestic parts on your AK? If a cop catches you chances are it's jail time. Has nothing to do with lethality or anything other than what the legislators agreed on as far as the cops are concerned.

I have no reason to believe it would be any different if semi-autos or polymer frames or laser sights or just firearms altogether were made illegal.
You support wealth confiscation so why not gun confiscation.
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You support wealth confiscation so why not gun confiscation.
You gonna follow me all around the forum shoving that up my a** now? This here is a different thread.

For 9 years now I've been a firearms instructor with a lot of liberal friends and I've been an ambassador to the shooting sports to every one of them. I have a standing offer to all my friends and anyone they know to come to the range with me and shoot a free box of ammo just to show them how much fun it can be. I've probably spent several thousand dollars on ammo in that time. I have 12 pistols and 3 rifles for them to choose from and I'd estimate that I'm personally responsible for convincing well over 100 people to go purchase their own handgun and more than half of them have gotten carry permits. I find my method much more effective than standing around here preaching to the choir. Last I checked this was a firearms forum, not an Obamacare haters forum.

So would you have me go back and unravel all that effort? Let every one of them know that the gun owners on Glocktalk don't want their support unless their political leanings all fall right in line with the GOP? All because you can't handle the fact that I have a sick friend and thought maybe ACA wouldn't be such a bad thing for her?

Some of you guys here are exactly what keeps a lot of people from wanting to learn anything about guns because you're exactly what they envision when they think of a gun owner. I guarantee that I've done a lot more to further the Second Amendment that you have but you could maybe catch up with me just by keeping your mouth shut for the next 9 years.

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You gonna follow me all around the forum shoving that up my a** now? This here is a different thread.
See, that's the problem. We all remember what you say in all the threads you post in, and will consider what you say forever more in that context. Don't fret about it, be comfortable in your own skin.
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Noncompliace with an illegal order is easy. More difficult hypothitical scenario:

Let's say that the Constitution was amended in a legal manner so as to revoke and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Laws were passed prohibiting ownership of firearms and requiring them to be relinquished.

Would you, as a hypothetical cop, then obey your sworn oath to the rule of law and carry out the lawful order to confiscate guns?
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