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Old 07-07-2012, 23:39   #1
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9mm +P+ FMJ

I have been looking for a 9mm +P+ FMJ cartridge. The only thing I have found on the market is the Winchester Ranger +P NATO. Anyone have anything for/against that cartridge? Or know of any other increased pressure FMJ cartridges?

*Please no Hollow-Points*

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Old 07-07-2012, 23:49   #2
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Federal used to load a 124 truncated cone looking FMJ +p+, don't know if they still do. I think buffalo bore loads a hot FMJ as well.
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Old 07-07-2012, 23:55   #3
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Yea I saw that cartridge

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php...t_detail&p=225

I still trying to look into the "low recoil" powder. I don't really know about that. I'd imagine it'd be a slower burning powder, which I wouldn't like.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:03   #4
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Federal used to load a 124 truncated cone looking FMJ +p+, don't know if they still do. I think buffalo bore loads a hot FMJ as well.
Yes, it was the Federal XM9MP 9mm 124 gr. FMJ-SWC.

Supposed to be good for 1,280 fps and about a yard of penetration.
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Old 07-08-2012, 00:39   #5
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Try the following !

www.underwoodammo.com
www.buffalobore.com

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I have been looking for a 9mm +P+ FMJ cartridge. The only thing I have found on the market is the Winchester Ranger +P NATO. Anyone have anything for/against that cartridge? Or know of any other increased pressure FMJ cartridges?

*Please no Hollow-Points*

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Old 07-08-2012, 01:05   #6
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I like the underwood ammo. I don't really like HP ammunition though. I like FMJ with a 9mm so I keep my tumble effect/penetration.

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Old 07-08-2012, 01:10   #7
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Tumble effect?

Even if that short of a round were to yaw I don't see it making a huge wound with FMJ. Seems like a deep penetrating JHP would be a better choice if you want to increase the possibility of incapacitation.

Not trying to be a jerk, just curious about your thoughts on this.

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Old 07-08-2012, 01:38   #8
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well from the tests I've done and others have done I know it does tumble with a fmj bullet. I like having that while still keeping high penetration.

and no it's not huge, but I it does help, and if you place the shot right it doesn't really matter.

That's also the reason I'm looking for a high pressured round. Not only more energy but increased speed also increases the chance to tumble.

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Old 07-08-2012, 01:52   #9
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Cool, to each his own.

I agree with you on velocity, I totally love a hot round for SD (some don't think it matters at all and base their selection more on the bullet performance in the factory load, just a difference of opinion).

My ideal for a SD load is a JHP bullet that will hold together at the highest velocity I can find and still penetrate deep. Right now I have my eye on Underwood's 357 sig GD JHP load at 1,450 fps. I intend to buy a box of it on Monday and test it through wet newsprint (wish I could do it with gelatin) to see how the GD bullet handles the higher velocity.

With higher velocity in a JHP round you can actually lose penetration, so I feel the GD with a higher velocity should be tested.

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Old 07-08-2012, 02:09   #10
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Why don't you just make some? I watched a video yesterday and all the guy did was mix a couple packets of geletin in water and pour it into a mold. Looks pretty simple.


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Old 07-08-2012, 02:36   #11
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My problem is more related to the transport of the gelatin to a place suitable to shoot it. To go to an area where I am free to shoot something like a block of gelatin requires a 60 minute drive into the desert in July. Without a cooler large enough to transport it I am afraid I'll have one heck of a mess when I get there.

I guess coolers aren't too expensive, if my wife will go for it

Whatever I do I want to document it for GT. I have learned a lot from this site and if I can contribute to it I would be thrilled.

Off to bed, had just a little too many tonight and stayed up a little too late
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:38   #12
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It's not. To be CALIBRATED it has to have a certain consistency and then be cooled and kept at a correct temp range for testing. Damn near impossible to do this time of year outdoors.


http://www.gelatininnovations.com/pa...istic_fbi.html
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Old 07-08-2012, 02:47   #13
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have you ever heard the phrase "close enough"?
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:02   #14
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have you ever heard the phrase "close enough"?

Yes, but only uttered by drunk sailors at 2AM when eyeballing a fat chick.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:11   #15
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ROFL there has to be a story behind that one. I'm not sure I want to hear it though ROFL
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Old 07-08-2012, 05:07   #16
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A tumbling is only significant if the bullet actually has some length to it so it can create drag and score a wide wound channel. A 9mm 124 is practically almost as aerodynamic sideways as it is front on.
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I have been looking for a 9mm +P+ FMJ cartridge. The only thing I have found on the market is the Winchester Ranger +P NATO. Anyone have anything for/against that cartridge? Or know of any other increased pressure FMJ cartridges?

*Please no Hollow-Points*

Thanks for any information
If you want an increased pressure 9mm load try finding some Hirtenberger L7A1 124FMJ ammo. This is definately a high, but not overpressure, loading from 1990/91. I've shot 50 rnds of this ammo out of my G19 with no signs of overpressure and it chrono'ed at 1279fps for a 5-shot avg.
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Before choosing 9mm FMJ, you should consider that Rep. Giffords is still alive partially due to their lack of lethality.
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Old 07-08-2012, 19:55   #19
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Who is that? And anything can be non-lethal if you dont hit something vital.
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Old 07-08-2012, 20:00   #20
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hmm....never mind lol but is she really alive? Technically maybe. That's pretty ****ed up though.

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Old 07-08-2012, 22:02   #21
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Wow now thats some cartridges I do miss as also the GECO BAT TRAUMA, But in all honesty a good current decent replacement today would be the HORNADY Critical Duty
9mm 135 grain +P No Hirtenberger and no GECO BAT TRAUMA But far better then what maybe currently available.



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If you want an increased pressure 9mm load try finding some Hirtenberger L7A1 124FMJ ammo. This is definately a high, but not overpressure, loading from 1990/91. I've shot 50 rnds of this ammo out of my G19 with no signs of overpressure and it chrono'ed at 1279fps for a 5-shot avg.
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hmm....never mind lol but is she really alive? Technically maybe. That's pretty ****ed up though.
Technically? She is doing fine. Almost 100 percent.

You should do some reading on how well the 9mm FMJ does for the US military.
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I have to ask the OP, how much penetration are you after? Also are you assuming that on the slight chance you get a tumble it is somehow better than consistant expansion and penetration?
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Old 07-09-2012, 08:51   #24
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Before choosing 9mm FMJ, you should consider that Rep. Giffords is still alive partially due to their lack of lethality.

Was she incapped the time of the shooting though?

And are you certain a slightly bigger bullet would have changed things? Wasn't there a kid that took a speer gun to the head with little damage (relatively speaking) to his brain, and is expected to make an almost full recovery?....
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I have to ask the OP, how much penetration are you after? Also are you assuming that on the slight chance you get a tumble it is somehow better than consistant expansion and penetration?
I just don't like hollow points, and I really just started this thread looking for some ammo. I don't want to go into it that much. I like my 9mm FMJ. I'd prefer, however, a Winchester Model 70 in a 30-06. Something like that I'd switch to a flat nose or soft point but I just don't like hollow points.

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