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Old 07-08-2012, 10:37   #1
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Do you place any extra value on guns bought from private sellers?

I have been thinking about downsizing and simplifying my collection a bit. In doing so I would be selling a couple of guns that came from private sellers and being left with only guns that came through the lgs.

Any opinions on how important it is to keep at least one gun around that is "off the books" so to speak?
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:43   #2
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Are you worried about your guns being traced back to you? If not, I don't know why you'd care.
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Old 07-08-2012, 10:53   #3
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I wouldn't even think about it.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:11   #4
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keep at least one gun around that is "off the books"
I doubt that anyone that thinks that's important would be responding to this thread.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:15   #5
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I doubt that anyone that thinks that's important would be responding to this thread.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:17   #6
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I doubt that anyone that thinks that's important would be responding to this thread.
Maybe I should have used the phrase purchased through private sale instead. There is nothing shady about the their origins, but I am I hope to live at least another 30 or 40 years and a lot could change politically in that amount of time. Maybe I should have posted in the S&P forum.
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Old 07-08-2012, 11:36   #7
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Any opinions on how important it is to keep at least one gun around that is "off the books" so to speak?
All things considered I (and friends) value a gun without a paper trail to be worth about an additional $100.

I end the paper trail every chance I get.

FTF sales.....here's the money...here's the gun...walk away.

If my life depended on it I couldn't remember a thing about most guns I bought and sold FTF.


And please don't come up with that old, "I want a Bill of Sale, etc, etc," to cover my butt if the gun is used in a crime.
One of the guns I sold FTF was used in a killing. The Police called me on the phone because I filled out the 4473 when I bought it from a dealer.
I said, I sold the gun to an individual (legally) and I have no idea where it's at.
The END.

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Old 07-08-2012, 11:58   #8
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I'm with M2 on this.
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Old 07-08-2012, 13:52   #9
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I've been a gun dealer a long time. There's a entire community of aluminum-hat wearing guys out there who want guns with zero paper trail. Since these guys typically don't use the internet or cell phones, fearing the gov't is tracking them, it's difficult to find them unless you visit the local gun shops and shooting ranges. Do they pay more for a gun without a paper trail? I don't know. They don't buy guns from me!

Unless I buy a new gun from the manufacturer or their distributor, the ATF has no way of tracking them to me or the consumer. They don't know which guns I've bought used, so they have no idea who I sold them to. They're not allowed to keep records of NICS. I keep all the yellow forms you guys fill out at my shop. After 20yrs, they're trash anyway.
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Old 07-08-2012, 14:42   #10
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I don't place a premium, in fact it may very well be the opposite. Especially when I know that I am unlikely to receive manufacture support.
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Old 07-08-2012, 14:48   #11
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Old 07-08-2012, 15:08   #12
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The guys that I have seen would would pay a substantial (say 50% and up) premium over the value of a used gun would be the last guys I would want to do any kind of business with.
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Old 07-08-2012, 15:16   #13
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Old 07-08-2012, 16:22   #14
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Old 07-08-2012, 16:24   #15
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For what? A face to face sale?
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Old 07-08-2012, 16:27   #16
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I wouldn't pay more for the gun that's for sure, value is the same to me.
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Old 07-08-2012, 16:48   #17
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All things considered I (and friends) value a gun without a paper trail to be worth about an additional $100.

I end the paper trail every chance I get.

FTF sales.....here's the money...here's the gun...walk away.

If my life depended on it I couldn't remember a thing about most guns I bought and sold FTF.


And please don't come up with that old, "I want a Bill of Sale, etc, etc," to cover my butt if the gun is used in a crime.
One of the guns I sold FTF was used in a killing. The Police called me on the phone because I filled out the 4473 when I bought it from a dealer.
I said, I sold the gun to an individual (legally) and I have no idea where it's at.
The END.
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Old 07-08-2012, 16:52   #18
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not in this lifetime...no vacations to club fed.
My original question had nothing to do with anything illegal and really nothing to do with is a gun worth extra in a face to face sale. Although I have noticed it sometimes works that way and I respect M2's input.

What I am really asking is do many people find merit in having at least one gun in their collection that wouldn't show on a NICS form?

Personally I am undecided whether it matters to me or not, but I was thinking about it and wanted to see what others had to say.

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Old 07-08-2012, 16:58   #19
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All things considered I (and friends) value a gun without a paper trail to be worth about an additional $100.

I end the paper trail every chance I get.

FTF sales.....here's the money...here's the gun...walk away.

If my life depended on it I couldn't remember a thing about most guns I bought and sold FTF.


And please don't come up with that old, "I want a Bill of Sale, etc, etc," to cover my butt if the gun is used in a crime.
One of the guns I sold FTF was used in a killing. The Police called me on the phone because I filled out the 4473 when I bought it from a dealer.
I said, I sold the gun to an individual (legally) and I have no idea where it's at.
The END.
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Old 07-08-2012, 18:08   #20
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I couldnt care less where I got mine as long as its all legal. and ive bought and sold a bunch both ways(private and stores)

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