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Old 07-16-2012, 05:57   #1
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Texas GOP rejects critical thinking skills. Really.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...pFXW_blog.html

Those darn critical thinking skills are just a leftist plot to take over your children's minds with... critical thinking skills.
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Old 07-16-2012, 06:29   #2
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That does make me sad and embarrassed. Then again, I don't think Republicans are the good guys, just the lesser of evils.
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Does anyone actually believe that the majority of GOP leadership is conservative? They're just the party of deprivation of indivdual rights, but from a religious, "traditional" angle, instead of the normal deprivation of individual rights from a nanny state angle we're used to from the Democrats.
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Yet they made an exception on the critical thinking for the Creationists.
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I think some of our state BOE members migrated south.
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Yet they made an exception on the critical thinking for the Creationists.
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Yep.

The state of education in Texas under the Republicans has become an impossible unworkable mess. They have cut funding while dealing with an increasing population and increasing demands on the schools. In some places teachers have to work after hours selling ice cream or hamburgers to raise money for their school.
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Well why the hell do they need funding? Ain't no reason to go buying brand new editions of the Bible each year! That's settled science!
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Those darn critical thinking skills are just a leftist plot to take over your children's minds with... critical thinking skills.
"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." Etc., etc. Can't see how this is a problem. Children belong to the parents... not the state nor surrogates of the state. Don't blame parents on bit for voting for those candidates who will reflect their own POV, especially as relates to the education of their children.
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"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." Etc., etc. Can't see how this is a problem. Children belong to the parents... not the state nor surrogates of the state. Don't blame parents on bit for voting for those candidates who will reflect their own POV, especially as relates to the education of their children.
It used to be that socialist and communist states taught like this. Now the public schools in the USA teach this stuff. The schools and the state already think they own the children.
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I'm waiting for snowbird to somehow link this story to the 19,000 muslim attacks since 9/11.
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"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." Etc., etc. Can't see how this is a problem. Children belong to the parents... not the state nor surrogates of the state. Don't blame parents on bit for voting for those candidates who will reflect their own POV, especially as relates to the education of their children.
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Yep.

The state of education in Texas under the Republicans has become an impossible unworkable mess. They have cut funding while dealing with an increasing population and increasing demands on the schools. In some places teachers have to work after hours selling ice cream or hamburgers to raise money for their school.
I have to say, it will be years before we undo the damage that Kentucky's rare republican governor did in a single term back in 2004-2008. He was the first in 30 years or so and he instantly reorganized most of the executive branch into an unworkable mess.

I will probably never vote Republican again in state politics, just as I would NEVER vote Democrat in national politics. Anyhow, the Democrats are the more pro-gun party in KY state government.
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Can't see how this is a problem. Children belong to the parents... not the state nor surrogates of the state. Don't blame parents on bit for voting for those candidates who will reflect their own POV, especially as relates to the education of their children.
I blame them for being primitive, ignorant and superstitious, not for voting for like-minded politicians.
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"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." Etc., etc. Can't see how this is a problem. Children belong to the parents... not the state nor surrogates of the state. Don't blame parents on bit for voting for those candidates who will reflect their own POV, especially as relates to the education of their children.
Yep, children belong to their parents. As in they are property. So the parents may honor kill them, refuse life saving medical treatment on religious grounds, sexually and physically abuse them or fill their heads with any crazy ideas that they please. Can't see how that's a problem.
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"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority." Etc., etc. Can't see how this is a problem. Children belong to the parents... not the state nor surrogates of the state. Don't blame parents on bit for voting for those candidates who will reflect their own POV, especially as relates to the education of their children.
There are several problems. First, our knowledge base is increasing so fast that it's impossible for any one person to keep up with it. The average parent can't even begin to keep up.

Second, most parents went to school many years ago so they know what people knew then. To make matters worse, many of them are too egotistical and insecure to admit they don't know everything and maybe the teacher knows more than they did. My children knew more at every level in their education than I did. I see that as a good thing.

Third, most politicians haven't spent a week in the classroom, much less 20 years. They know absolutely nothing about what happens in the classroom. They know nothing about learning and nothing about nearly anything outside their area of expertise. It wasn't until a few years ago that an Oklahoma state politician had to have a high school education even though the teachers to whom they were dictating terms had Bachelor's Degrees at the least.

Fourth, the great unwashed has bought into the absurd notion that schools should be run like a business. Business can dictate the type and quality of materials they use. You can't send a random assortment of materials to Boeing and tell them to make a 747 out of it. If you send Boeing inferior quality metal or electronics, Boeing will send it back. Public schools, on the other hand, have to take whatever they get sent and turn them into potential college graduates, even though there aren't enough jobs for the current graduates. Businesses can raise prices of they aren't being adequately compensated. Public schools are constantly told to do more with less by people who have no concept of what happens in the classroom.

Finally, the main purpose of the modern public school is to avoid a lawsuit. That means the curriculum must be bland and inoffensive to anyone. Of course, that's impossible because there are too many people of differing creeds and religions with chips on their shoulders. Before someone blames the teachers, we have much better teachers than we deserve. It's amazing we have any at all. It's amazing children learn anything in today's schools. I wish there was a solution, but as long as everyone feels his or her opinion is as valid as anyone else's opinion, things will only continue as they are. Uneducated people with no teaching experience will continue to have undue influence on our educational system.
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Old 07-16-2012, 16:18   #16
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There are several problems. First, our knowledge base is increasing so fast that it's impossible for any one person to keep up with it. The average parent can't even begin to keep up.

Second, most parents went to school many years ago so they know what people knew then. To make matters worse, many of them are too egotistical and insecure to admit they don't know everything and maybe the teacher knows more than they did. My children knew more at every level in their education than I did. I see that as a good thing.

Third, most politicians haven't spent a week in the classroom, much less 20 years. They know absolutely nothing about what happens in the classroom. They know nothing about learning and nothing about nearly anything outside their area of expertise. It wasn't until a few years ago that an Oklahoma state politician had to have a high school education even though the teachers to whom they were dictating terms had Bachelor's Degrees at the least.

Fourth, the great unwashed has bought into the absurd notion that schools should be run like a business. Business can dictate the type and quality of materials they use. You can't send a random assortment of materials to Boeing and tell them to make a 747 out of it. If you send Boeing inferior quality metal or electronics, Boeing will send it back. Public schools, on the other hand, have to take whatever they get sent and turn them into potential college graduates, even though there aren't enough jobs for the current graduates. Businesses can raise prices of they aren't being adequately compensated. Public schools are constantly told to do more with less by people who have no concept of what happens in the classroom.

Finally, the main purpose of the modern public school is to avoid a lawsuit. That means the curriculum must be bland and inoffensive to anyone. Of course, that's impossible because there are too many people of differing creeds and religions with chips on their shoulders. Before someone blames the teachers, we have much better teachers than we deserve. It's amazing we have any at all. It's amazing children learn anything in today's schools. I wish there was a solution, but as long as everyone feels his or her opinion is as valid as anyone else's opinion, things will only continue as they are. Uneducated people with no teaching experience will continue to have undue influence on our educational system.
I've never really seen the problem laid out so well but I've known these things on a subconscious level which is why my girlfriend and I home school her kids. Atheist homeschoolers, whoda thunkit?
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There are several problems. First, our knowledge base is increasing so fast that it's impossible for any one person to keep up with it. The average parent can't even begin to keep up.

Second, most parents went to school many years ago so they know what people knew then. To make matters worse, many of them are too egotistical and insecure to admit they don't know everything and maybe the teacher knows more than they did. My children knew more at every level in their education than I did. I see that as a good thing.

Third, most politicians haven't spent a week in the classroom, much less 20 years. They know absolutely nothing about what happens in the classroom. They know nothing about learning and nothing about nearly anything outside their area of expertise. It wasn't until a few years ago that an Oklahoma state politician had to have a high school education even though the teachers to whom they were dictating terms had Bachelor's Degrees at the least.

Fourth, the great unwashed has bought into the absurd notion that schools should be run like a business. Business can dictate the type and quality of materials they use. You can't send a random assortment of materials to Boeing and tell them to make a 747 out of it. If you send Boeing inferior quality metal or electronics, Boeing will send it back. Public schools, on the other hand, have to take whatever they get sent and turn them into potential college graduates, even though there aren't enough jobs for the current graduates. Businesses can raise prices of they aren't being adequately compensated. Public schools are constantly told to do more with less by people who have no concept of what happens in the classroom.

Finally, the main purpose of the modern public school is to avoid a lawsuit. That means the curriculum must be bland and inoffensive to anyone. Of course, that's impossible because there are too many people of differing creeds and religions with chips on their shoulders. Before someone blames the teachers, we have much better teachers than we deserve. It's amazing we have any at all. It's amazing children learn anything in today's schools. I wish there was a solution, but as long as everyone feels his or her opinion is as valid as anyone else's opinion, things will only continue as they are. Uneducated people with no teaching experience will continue to have undue influence on our educational system.
Thank you! My wife has taught at an inner city school for 14 years, (the last 8 with only a 2% cola and no steps or track pay increase) and we appreciate someone understanding the problems with public education.
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That does make me sad and embarrassed. Then again, I don't think Republicans are the good guys, just the lesser of evils.
I think there's a good argument that both parties need most people to lack critical thinking skills.
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Unless you live in an incredibly rare, exceptional district, I regard it as borderline child abuse to send kids to a public school. The first lesson they'll be taught is that learning is incredibly boring, and that thinking ahead or outside the box is wrong. Imagine the literal brain damage this will cause after spending a decade of incredibly important developmental years in that kind of an environment. The kid will pay severely for the lack of real development appropriate to today's world for the rest of his life.
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Unless you live in an incredibly rare, exceptional district, I regard it as borderline child abuse to send kids to a public school. The first lesson they'll be taught is that learning is incredibly boring, and that thinking ahead or outside the box is wrong. Imagine the literal brain damage this will cause after spending a decade of incredibly important developmental years in that kind of an environment. The kid will pay severely for the lack of real development appropriate to today's world for the rest of his life.
You base this on what exactly? Literal brain damage? Child abuse? What are you talking about?
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