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Old 07-18-2012, 14:45   #1
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Picked up a 19...

Not a Glock 19, but a used Smith & Wesson Model 19-4 in .357 Magnum with a 4" barrel. This is a revolver that was on my must have list so when the LGS had one on consignment I had to pick it up.

The revolver is in great shape but the original grips were replaced at some point. The seller was a retired Police Officer who owned this weapon as a home defense gun.

I plan on using this as a home defense/woods gun with Magnum loads. For the range I will shoot 38 specials. I am planning to hand load at some point so will like use the .357 brass to make some hot 38 sp rounds. Any thoughts on this?

19 feels like a lucky number as I have gen 3 Glock 19 that I absolutely love, which was bought slightly used early this year. So for under $750 I have added two excellent firearms to my collection.

Pictures to follow with comments after some range time.

Next on the wish list something in 45ACP, either a 1911 or a Glock 30. Perhaps an AR-15 as I don't one.


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Old 07-18-2012, 17:07   #2
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you did gooooooood!!!! you will be happy
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Old 07-18-2012, 17:16   #3
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Old 07-18-2012, 17:19   #4
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Not a Glock 19, but a used Smith & Wesson Model 19-4 in .357 Magnum with a 4" barrel. This is a revolver that was on my must have list so when the LGS had one on consignment I had to pick it up.
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Old 07-18-2012, 18:16   #5
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Excellent gun, congrats! In regards to the reloads the nice thing about a magnum revolver is that you can load from mild to wild and everthing in between. Get yourself a couple reloading books. They'll provide all the data you'll need to accomplish what you want. The Lyman book is good if you decide on using cast bullets.
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Old 07-18-2012, 18:21   #6
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Enjoy your "new" 19!
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Old 07-18-2012, 21:08   #7
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Old 07-18-2012, 21:44   #8
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Old 07-18-2012, 21:59   #9
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Stay way from the hotter 125gr. 357 loads. This is what I was told after I had asked following my having to tap each round out of the cylinder after shooting. Apparently, too much hot stuff can eventually crack the underside of the force cone area that is flattened to accommodate the ejector lever housing. Luckily, I only fed about 20 rounds of the 125gr. stuff before I learned this. 158 gr. mags have been just fine and reportedly do not pose a problem. Of course, the best route is to stick to .38's mostly.

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Old 07-18-2012, 22:09   #10
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Congrats on a great revolver.

I've got one myself.
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Old 07-18-2012, 22:35   #11
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Great revolvers! My personal favorite is the 2.5 or 3 inch models. The 3 inch is hard as heck to find, and the 2.5 isn't that common either. If you want to use +p 38 loads 38 brass is fine. They'll wear out a bit faster then magnum brass, but they're cheaper. 125 grains will flame cut the top strap of the revolver and damage things fastest of any magnum loads. The 158 grain loads are fine to shoot, but as was said it's best to shoot 38s the majority of the time.
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Old 07-19-2012, 01:12   #12
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Congrats! I love K-frames.
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:09   #13
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Good choice. You will not be disapointed.
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Old 07-19-2012, 05:22   #14
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Thanks for the feedback. I hope to get to the range on Saturday.


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Old 07-19-2012, 05:39   #15
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Stay way from the hotter 125gr. 357 loads. This is what I was told after I had asked following my having to tap each round out of the cylinder after shooting. Apparently, too much hot stuff can eventually crack the underside of the force cone area that is flattened to accommodate the ejector lever housing. Luckily, I only fed about 20 rounds of the 125gr. stuff before I learned this. 158 gr. mags have been just fine and reportedly do not pose a problem. Of course, the best route is to stick to .38's mostly.
This is BUNK...

I used a model 19 for YEARS as my duty weapon, ALWAYS loaded with 125 JHP .357's.

If there is trouble ejecting the rounds...than there is a problem with the weapon.

Consider, if these revolvers were nearly as fragile as is circulated on the net...explain that 40 plus years later they are among the most sought after and collected of all the Smith and Wesson's.

You will find that when reading opinions on the net, a "problem", is reported and recirculated for YEARS. Each poster reporting essentially the same story. Until it seems to become a wide spread problem.

As an example...look how many ammo threads stat out with..."I know Black Talon ammo is illegal, but"....

This tripe starts out and develops a life of it's own with little or no basis in reality.


EDIT: To prove my point, wait a few weeks or a month and post how you just bought a S&W model 13, and want to find out everyone's opinion.

I'll bet this "issue" does not appear.

THEY ARE THE SAME GUN !!!

The difference being one is fixed sighted and one adjustable, that's it.

Same frame, same cylinder, same trigger, same hammer etc. simply the sights.

Yet one draws the "better not use magnums comments and one does not.

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This is BUNK...

I used a model 19 for YEARS as my duty weapon, ALWAYS loaded with 125 JHP .357's.

If there is trouble ejecting the rounds...than there is a problem with the weapon.

Consider, if these revolvers were nearly as fragile as is circulated on the net...explain that 40 plus years later they are among the most sought after and collected of all the Smith and Wesson's.

You will find that when reading opinions on the net, a "problem", is reported and recirculated for YEARS. Each poster reporting essentially the same story. Until it seems to become a wide spread problem.

As an example...look how many ammo threads stat out with..."I know Black Talon ammo is illegal, but"....

This tripe starts out and develops a life of it's own with little or no basis in reality.


EDIT: To prove my point, wait a few weeks or a month and post how you just bought a S&W model 13, and want to find out everyone's opinion.

I'll bet this "issue" does not appear.

THEY ARE THE SAME GUN !!!

The difference being one is fixed sighted and one adjustable, that's it.

Same frame, same cylinder, same trigger, same hammer etc. simply the sights.

Yet one draws the "better not use magnums comments and one does not.
Did you ever think that maybe the model 19 is more well known then the model 13? Or that maybe more departments used/issued and more officers bought the model 19 then the model 13? I know my father's department used the 19 because of the better sights. My father's dept also had a couple 19s go down from the 125 grain magnum rounds, it takes years but it does happen eventually. The 158 grain round is what the revolver was designed for, the 125 grain hadn't been invented yet. It was fine to shoot 125 occasionally but the departments were using it for practice and duty ammunition in the 70s and 80s.
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Did you ever think that maybe the model 19 is more well known then the model 13? Or that maybe more departments used/issued and more officers bought the model 19 then the model 13? I know my father's department used the 19 because of the better sights. My father's dept also had a couple 19s go down from the 125 grain magnum rounds, it takes years but it does happen eventually. The 158 grain round is what the revolver was designed for, the 125 grain hadn't been invented yet. It was fine to shoot 125 occasionally but the departments were using it for practice and duty ammunition in the 70s and 80s.
The K-Frame-.357 125gn issue does exist. well known before the internet. It sactually has nothing to do with a 125 load being "hotter" but the lighter bullet's characteristics in transitioning from the cylinder through the forcing cone. The 125s and 158s are loaded to the same pressure specs the 125s just don't behave well in the transition from cylinder to barrel
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Here are pictures of my two "19's". The Smith & Wesson Model 19 and my Glock 19 gen 3. I will be at the range on Saturday with magnum rounds and 38 specials.


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Old 07-19-2012, 21:58   #19
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If you're loading anything so hot the rounds have to be 'tapped out,' You're loading WAY TOO HOT. And you don't know anything about reloading.

I remember one day I showed up at the range. A guy I knew only from the range was shooting his Smith 29 with the long barrel. He fired a cylinder full and couldn't push the ejector rod hard enough to to push the rounds out. He started beating the ejector rod against the wooden shooting bench to get the empties out.

He made some comment about 'I loaded these a little too hot.' Then he put six more rounds in and was going to shoot them. I moved to the other end of the range. I didn't want to get hit with flying parts. But the Smith held them. Incredible testimony as to how strong the Smiths are. But that doesn't excuse stupidity.
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This is BUNK...

I used a model 19 for YEARS as my duty weapon, ALWAYS loaded with 125 JHP .357's.

If there is trouble ejecting the rounds...than there is a problem with the weapon.

Consider, if these revolvers were nearly as fragile as is circulated on the net...explain that 40 plus years later they are among the most sought after and collected of all the Smith and Wesson's.

You will find that when reading opinions on the net, a "problem", is reported and recirculated for YEARS. Each poster reporting essentially the same story. Until it seems to become a wide spread problem.

As an example...look how many ammo threads stat out with..."I know Black Talon ammo is illegal, but"....

This tripe starts out and develops a life of it's own with little or no basis in reality.


EDIT: To prove my point, wait a few weeks or a month and post how you just bought a S&W model 13, and want to find out everyone's opinion.

I'll bet this "issue" does not appear.

THEY ARE THE SAME GUN !!!

The difference being one is fixed sighted and one adjustable, that's it.

Same frame, same cylinder, same trigger, same hammer etc. simply the sights.

Yet one draws the "better not use magnums comments and one does not.
While I agree the "problem" is overstated, to say that it's "bunk" is just wrong. The issue was well known long before Al Gore invented in the internet. The internet has helped to keep the issue afloat, and has no doubt magnified it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The question never was DID it happen, the question is how widespread is the problem, and what really causes it. The only real consistent factor seems to be the use of light bullets (below 140 grains) and fast burning powder

Today people are afraid to shoot +P 38's in K-frame guns. Now you want to talk about "bunk" then, you're on the right track.

I also agree that if you're having to beat the empties out of a revolver, or any other gun, you're loading too hot. Back off. And clean your chambers.

The "issue" does come in in discussions about the Model 13. Model 13's are far few, so it comes up less often but it does come up.
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