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Old 07-20-2012, 14:13   #1
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Colt awarded 1911 contract for Marine Corps

The 1911, still the greatest!

http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/07/2...-marine-corps/
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Old 07-20-2012, 16:26   #2
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What about the 4 that cracked before the 12k test was done? Thread over at M4Carbine.
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Old 07-20-2012, 17:08   #3
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That's great news! USA! USA!
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Old 07-20-2012, 17:21   #4
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$22.5 million for 4000 1911s?!?!

Why that's a mere $5,625 per handgun. Such a deal. Probably get a few extras thrown in to boot I hope...
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Old 07-20-2012, 20:00   #5
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$22.5 million for 4000 1911s?!?!

Why that's a mere $5,625 per handgun. Such a deal. Probably get a few extras thrown in to boot I hope...

Wow that must include a cost structure outside of just the 1911s

I am not a "fanboy" of any 1911 brand per say but I have to say

1911 + USMC + Colt = Just seems "right"


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Old 07-20-2012, 21:33   #6
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$22.5 million for 4000 1911s?!?!
I would imagine that is with a lot of spare/ replacement parts and a couple of extra magazines.

1911 + USMC + Colt = Just seems "right"

Yep, seems like a good fit.
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Old 07-20-2012, 22:28   #7
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Nice to see the US military buying from a US manufacturer.


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Old 07-20-2012, 22:35   #8
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if they would have done that last year it would have had added meaning
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Old 07-20-2012, 23:01   #9
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$22.5 million for 4000 1911s?!?!

Why that's a mere $5,625 per handgun. Such a deal. Probably get a few extras thrown in to boot I hope...
Gotta be a misprint somewhere. In any case, it's great news...an iconic handgun back in the hands of the Marines!
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Old 07-21-2012, 04:05   #10
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What about the 4 that cracked before the 12k test was done? Thread over at M4Carbine.

Which part cracked...slide or frame?

If it was the frame, in the usual place...at the junction of the impact abutment and spring tunnel...it's neither here nor there. It's the result of thin cross-sections and sharp corners.

Those cracks are self-limiting and don't affect the function of the pistol in any way. I've got a pair of early 1991A1 Colts that I've used for range beaters for over 20 years. They're approaching 400,000 rounds about evenly split. They both cracked at that area somewhere around the 12-15k mark, and they're both still walkin' the walk. The cracks went to a point and stopped.

Everybody worries far too much over the frame and not enough about the slide. The slide/barrel assembly is the gun. The frame is essentially no more than the gun mount and a housing for the controls.
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Old 07-21-2012, 07:30   #11
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$22.5 million for 4000 1911s?!?!

Why that's a mere $5,625 per handgun. Such a deal. Probably get a few extras thrown in to boot I hope...
The guns don't just show up.

New equipment comes with depot, armorer and user level training, an entire buttload of repair parts and often times, active participation in the fielding plan, travel expenses, man hours etc. I have not managed a weapons contract, but I would wager that half of the expense is for fielding, training, repair parts etc.

If you place a mil spec on say for instance the magazines, that can jack the price of a $25 mag to over $100. This may not be the case, I just wanted to point out the guns themselves do not cost $5k.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:07   #12
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I just wanted to point out the guns themselves do not cost $5k.
I know, but G&A's article did not go into detail. I was just funnin' a little bit. However I can hear the public naysayers now what with the $$$ toilet seats, etc that Uncle Sam has bought in the past.

What did the FBI's SA Inc Pros run each tho? A few grand each if memory serves ($2.5K+), and not a production piece either.

I agree, US Marines + Colt 1911s = a Natural.
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Old 07-21-2012, 08:13   #13
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Ive been eyeing a rail gun.....looks like theyll be scarce for years now. Ah well at least the marines get a kickass pistol.
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Old 07-21-2012, 10:12   #14
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Wondering aloud... will the USMC Force Recon have Blackhawk SERPA hosters made 'specially for the rail gun M45 CQBP MEU(SOC)? Who makes Marine proof holsters anyway? DeSantis? Safariland?

Back on topic, while looking around for holsters etc, found this on MilitaryTimes

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/tag/usmc/
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:30   #15
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Threads at arfcom and m4carbine indicate slide as well as frame cracks.
first page about 6 posts down.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_49/12..._go__Colt.html

Take it for what it's worth.
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:45   #16
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Why are they going with the 7 round mag instead of the 8 round?
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Old 07-21-2012, 12:47   #17
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I guess they need 4000 45's to go along with the 75,000 M9A1s they ordered.
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Why are they going with the 7 round mag instead of the 8 round?
Or a 15 round mag?
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Threads at arfcom and m4carbine indicate slide as well as frame cracks.
first page about 6 posts down.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_5_49/12..._go__Colt.html

Take it for what it's worth.
Those slide cracks are bad news, especially the ones in the breechface. My guess is that they're over-hardened and brittle.

Of course, everything except the frame is considered an expendable service part...including the slide. That's why the US Army ordered about a dozen for every complete pistol delivered in both world wars.
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Old 07-21-2012, 14:42   #20
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where are all the 1911s from before the switch to Berettas ?
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