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Old 07-22-2012, 19:19   #1
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Pistols that make Ballistic Vests run and hide...

Because of recent events I have a friend set on getting a FN Five Seven in case he has to protect himself from someone wearing a ballistic vest....

Personally I see no point in it, ballistic vests aren't magic. Most rounds are still going to make for a bad day. Not to mention, the problems with over penetration against an unarmored individual.

All that aside...it got me thinking about pistols that stand a good chance defeating certain types of body armor.

The only ones I know of are FN's Five Seven and the pistols that shoot 7.62x25 Tokarev...
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:34   #2
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What are the odds that if one has to use their weapon to defend themselves that it will be against someone wearing body armor? 100,000 to 1? I'll continue to carry a more effective round than a 5.7.

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Old 07-22-2012, 19:37   #3
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The shooting had me thinking of a AR pistol in a backpack. It's not as readily available as a concealed pistol but with the right ammo it would have been a good thing to have in that situation. I was thinking M855 but I don't know why all is out there and how they do against different body armor. Not to mention the velocity loss going from say a 16" to 7.5" barrel. I had watched a video of a guy shoot a 1/4" steel plate from maybe 80 yards with M855 and it left a nice size hole. Full penetration.
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:37   #4
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Myth. Civilian 5.7 ammo is not going to penetrate a good vest.
Left that bit out, the availability of specific ammo...or lack there of.
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:38   #5
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:38   #6
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The only ones I know of are FN's Five Seven and the pistols that shoot 7.62x25 Tokarev...
Handguns of 7.62x39, 5.45x39, .454, .460, or .500 have the potential to defeat nonplated vests. The key is minimum velocity. IIRC around 1800 fps.
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:43   #7
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The unfortunate incident in Colorado has not made me rethink my carry procedures in any way,shape,or form.The chances of running into a BG wearing body armor are really slim. If he is wearing body armor he is already ahead of me and probably has me outgunned.
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:45   #8
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The unfortunate incident in Colorado has not made me rethink my carry procedures in any way,shape,or form.The chances of running into a BG wearing body armor are really slim. If he is wearing body armor he is already ahead of me and probably has me outgunned.
Couldn't agree more.
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:45   #9
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:52   #10
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I like the five seven the price just is out of my range. I've always wanted one though just think they are cool.
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Old 07-22-2012, 19:53   #11
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Old 07-22-2012, 20:12   #12
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The guy had plates in, so nothing short of a .300 Winmag would have worked.
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Old 07-22-2012, 20:15   #13
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Old 07-22-2012, 20:21   #14
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Stupid question... Are there any handguns that fire 7.62x39 or .223? I mean, handgun-sized handguns, not just AK-47's with a sawed off stock.
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Old 07-22-2012, 20:24   #15
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Buffalo Bore makes a 125 gr .357 Magnum load that gets 1591 fps from S&W Mt. Gun, 4 inch barrel.

That might do if it's a FMJ load and 6 inch barrel.

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Old 07-22-2012, 20:28   #17
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Old 07-22-2012, 20:30   #18
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The 5.7 is useless against body armor unless you have some AP ammo. Those civilian 5.7 loads are about as effective as a .17 Rimfire. The problem with pistols? No civilian legal AP ammo.

The only reason you'd need AP pistol ammo to defeat a body armored bad guys is because the average shooter is a horrible marksmen, even under the best conditions. Honestly, 95% of pistol shooters couldn't make a head shot at 21 feet if their life depended on it.
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Even if you unload a mag into his chest (with body armor), I would think the bullet impacts would throw him off enough for someone to jump him at that point.

I don't think you can just shake off 10 or 15 rounds in the chest so easily.
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Even if you unload a mag into his chest (with body armor), I would think the bullet impacts would throw him off enough for someone to jump him at that point.

I don't think you can just shake off 10 or 15 rounds in the chest so easily.
Oh I don't know. Try watching the LA bank robbery videos.


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