[I Shooter]

My wife just picked up a Ruger LCP. She liked it because it was so little and it has the laser sight.

I think she should have gotten the LC9 or a glock. I would guess that is why she didn't take me with her.

Any way she has the thing now and she has two problems with it. The trigger pull is to stiff and long. I will take it to a local smith and see if he can do any thing with that.

The other thing is she is having a problem racking the slide back. For such a small gun it has a very stiff spring. Do they make a lighter spring for it. Any one make parts for this thing other than Ruger? Can I just clip off a couple of coils to shorten it and make it less stiff. Thank you much for your time.

[GlockFish]

I wouldn't start cutting coils off the spring. I think if you were to take her LCP to the range and put a couple hundred rounds through it, the slide would get easier to cycle by hand.
The trigger pull is long on the LCP. But again, it'll break in along with the recoil spring.
I haven't heard of anyone doing trigger jobs on the LCP. I know people do a 'fluff and buff' on Kel-tec P3AT's (which Ruger basically copied), so maybe you can do something with the trigger.

[Metal Angel]

Easy there, turbo! I just bought an LCP last week and at first the trigger and slide were stiff and rough. Only 60 rounds and about 100 dry fires and slide racks later it's trigger is nearly as light as my Glock 19, smoother, and the slide is even lighter than my Glock 19... Not as smooth though. Just run it for a while and see how it smooths out. Don't go messing with it. Manufacturers spend a lot of R&D getting all the springs just right for maximum reliability, and you don't want to ruin that. Plus modified triggers are always advised against for SD guns.

Just my opinion of course.

[Tactical23]

I haven't used any of these parts, but I have heard good things about GP by those who have their LC9 parts. Might be something to look at.

http://www.gallowayprecision.com/lcp...anceparts.html

[Bob Hafler]

The recoil springs are very stiff when new. They will loosen up some but I'd never recommend a LCP to any women or and older person. Triggers Suck at best, there hard to rack the slide, and the recoil is not very friendly to a man much less a women. Hard to get good with a pistol you hate to shoot to many rounds through at one sitting. I think that's why in the .380 gun market the Bersa Thunder .380 is fairly popular with women.

[ithaca_deerslayer]

I actually put a stiffer spring in my LCP from Wolff springs. They make different weights, maybe lighter ones too (don't know). With my original spring, the slide wasn't always returning to battery with gold dot wide mouth hollow points. I also switched to Hornady critical defense with the pointy red plastic tips.

Her gun will break in and probably get easier. Recoil won't go away. I've read here on GT about some using a grip sleeve (forgot the company) to increase surface area of grip thus reducing felt recoil.

For racking, technique goes a long way. Hold slide with an over hand method with week hand. Push grip briskly down toward ground with strong hand. I've had success teaching women to do this.

[El_Ron1]

They are what they are...

[4 glocks]

Just like everyone said it will break in with time. As for the spring try leaving the slide locked back a few days or a week.

I have one and my GF just bought one. I was trying to stear her to a G26. She carries it IWB at 2 oclock and she says she dose not know it's there something I do not think she could do with a G26.

The LCP carries like no other. She has 250 rounds and it's been 100%.

[257 roberts]

thats why I got rid of my LCP and went back to a J frame S&W (642) never had a jam problem I just couldn't get used the the trigger

[Arc Angel]

Someday, maybe, I'll understand what people see in these little secondary pistols that are all the rage right now? I don't know a single woman who owns or has fired a Ruger LCP that actually likes it.

[Metal Angel]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Someday, maybe, I'll understand what people see in these little secondary pistols that are all the rage right now? I don't know a single woman who owns or has fired a Ruger LCP that actually likes it.

My wife had no trouble with mine, though she likes my Glock 19 better (and so do I, the point is ease of concealment, not pleasure of shooting). Whoever says the trigger sucks must be spoiled by competition triggers or something... I think it's perfectly serviceable.

[rilkil23]

Miss my LCP, everyone should have a tiny pistol with no sights and an incredible amount of recoil. I will get another one but only after they come out with a version that has a usable sight system. My LCP functioned perfectly but I opted to keep my LC9 as my small carry gun. The pistol will loosen up after a few hundred rounds. Enjoy.

[ithaca_deerslayer]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Someday, maybe, I'll understand what people see in these little secondary pistols that are all the rage right now? I don't know a single woman who owns or has fired a Ruger LCP that actually likes it.

Concealment is the reason.

What gun is better than an LCP, and is as light and small?

Next up in size is the SIG 238 and Colt Mustang 380s, which might be better, and have less felt recoil.

And then up in size from those are the snubby revolvers and Kahr 9mm and 40.

And up in size again are a variety of single stack 9mm.

And then finally we get to the Glock 26 size group.

Eventually the Glock 19 size group with a whole bunch of fine guns and calibers to choose from.

[4 glocks]

Originally Posted by Metal Angel

My wife had no trouble with mine, though she likes my Glock 19 better (and so do I, the point is ease of concealment, not pleasure of shooting). Whoever says the trigger sucks must be spoiled by competition triggers or something... I think it's perfectly serviceable.

That's the truth. You have to look at the triger as a double action revolver type of triger it's long but that's what makes it safe to carry.

As for a revolver never jaming that's not always the case.
I bought one of those elastic type of holsters (like a fanny pack but made of spandex or something) I was testing (unloaded) shooting it without removing it from the pack.
It FTF what happened was the fabric got stuck between the triger and the frame behind the triger and you could not pull the triger. This made me understand even a revolver can jam.

[dakrat]

Originally Posted by I Shooter

The trigger pull is to stiff and long. I will take it to a local smith and see if he can do any thing with that.

The other thing is she is having a problem racking the slide back.

why buy a firearm that she cannot operate?

[wrencher]

I don't know a single woman who owns or has fired a Ruger LCP that actually likes it.

OK, here's one! I have had an LCP for a couple of years now, it's my summertime shorts and T shirt pistol. Biggest plus, of course, is it's tiny size, weight, and ease of concealment.
I really don't mind shooting it, it's not a range gun I'd put hundreds of rounds through in one sitting, but I don't find it horrible at all.

[sawgrass]

Here's another one. I love the small size for shorts carry.
I don't find the recoil that bad and actually I think women
like it more because we can get our fingers around it better than big man hands.

Have her hold the slide and push on the gun. It makes a huge difference.

[FLFireLT]

My wife has one and we have put about 400 rounds through it. The slide does loosen up but the trigger is long and heavy ( not a bad thing in our book). That being said we have had a lot of failure to feed issues, enough to deem it not reliable and are currently looking at a glock 26 for her just waiting to get to the range with a buddy that owns one. That or she is carrying my glock 23, she loves it even if it is a lot bigger.


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[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by Metal Angel

My wife had no trouble with mine, though she likes my Glock 19 better (and so do I, the point is ease of concealment, not pleasure of shooting). Whoever says the trigger sucks must be spoiled by competition triggers or something... I think it's perfectly serviceable.

Originally Posted by ithaca_deerslayer

Concealment is the reason. What gun is better than an LCP, and is as light and small? .......

Sure, I understand the, 'ease of concealment' thing. I just start to get confused when a pistol is so small that I begin to feel I'd be better off with a knife! 'Pleasure of shooting' really has nothing to do with self-defense, though; nor did I mean to imply that it did. It's been my experience that MOST people cannot shoot these small, hard kicking pistols straight enough to, LITERALLY, save their own lives with!

THIS is the reason, 'Why' my own secondary pistol is a Beretta, 'Alley Cat'. (a, 'Tom Cat' with night sights) The Tom Cat is a very small pistol with a very fat frame handle; consequently, I'm able to quickly transition down to it from a much larger pistol without any significant loss of either speed or accuracy.

The point I would make is that MOST people don't shoot either as often, or as much as I do; they don't have the years of experience, nor the acquired skill sets; and it DOES take a lot of skill to aim and wield one of these little, hard kicking pistols well. Personally, I think a lot of people with one of these little pistols secreted in their pockets or purses are only kidding themselves. (I call this the, 'pacifier, baby pistol syndrome'.) I've often watched the general public shoot these hard kicking little guns; even at 7 1/2 yards they're all over a B-27 size target!

Me? I need a much better reason than high concealment before I'll trust my life to any particular pistol; but, then again, I've carried 45 ACP pistols around with me all day long for more than a quarter of a century. If you can't hit, smoothly and accurately, with one of these hard kicking little pistols - and I'm talking all 7 shots, rapid fired, into a 6 inch circle at 7 1/2 yards - then it makes absolutely no sense to carry one - ESPECIALLY as a primary.




(Anyone's free to disagree. Based on how well these little guns are selling I'm sure a lot of people will; but, obviously, I don't particularly care. I'll just return, again, to the range next weekend; and watch these people keep right on missing with their little, highly concealable and hard kicking, 'pacifier, baby pistols'.)

[Metal Angel]

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[Metal Angel]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Sure, I understand the, 'ease of concealment' thing. I just start to get confused when a pistol is so small that I begin to feel I'd be better off with a knife! 'Pleasure of shooting' really has nothing to do with self-defense, though; nor did I mean to imply that it did. It's been my experience that MOST people cannot shoot these small, hard kicking pistols straight enough to, LITERALLY, save their own lives with!

THIS is the reason, 'Why' my own secondary pistol is a Beretta, 'Alley Cat'. (a, 'Tom Cat' with night sights) The Tom Cat is a very small pistol with a very fat frame handle; consequently, I'm able to quickly transition down to it from a much larger pistol without any significant loss of either speed or accuracy.

The point I would make is that MOST people don't shoot either as often, or as much as I do; they don't have the years of experience, nor the acquired skill sets; and it DOES take a lot of skill to aim and wield one of these little, hard kicking pistols well. Personally, I think a lot of people with one of these little pistols secreted in their pockets or purses are only kidding themselves. (I call this the, 'pacifier, baby pistol syndrome'.) I've often watched the general public shoot these hard kicking little guns; even at 7 1/2 yards they're all over a B-27 size target!

Me? I need a much better reason than high concealment before I'll trust my life to any particular pistol; but, then again, I've carried 45 ACP pistols around with me all day long for more than a quarter of a century. If you can't hit, smoothly and accurately, with one of these hard kicking little pistols - and I'm talking all 7 shots, rapid fired, into a 6 inch circle at 7 1/2 yards - then it makes absolutely no sense to carry one - ESPECIALLY as a primary.




(Anyone's free to disagree. Based on how well these little guns are selling I'm sure a lot of people will; but, obviously, I don't particularly care. I'll just return, again, to the range next weekend; and watch these people keep right on missing with their little, highly concealable and hard kicking, 'pacifier, baby pistols'.)

Terrible logic. Do you actually think your tomcat in .32acp is better than an LCP in .380acp? Obvious differences in power aside, I don't have to worry about rimlock with my .380acp, and my LCP actually has an extractor, so if there is a failure, I can efficiently get the failure clear and back in the fight. The same cannot be said for your Berretta.

And you would rather have a knife than an LCP? Really? If you can't see the fail in that logic then I don't know what to say.

As a primary carry gun, it does leave something to be desired, but most people are carrying them because they can't get away with carrying something bigger and more effective. In that case, it's a hell of a lot better than nothing (or a .32acp)

[Arc Angel]

Originally Posted by Metal Angel

Terrible logic. Do you actually think your tomcat in .32acp is better than an LCP in .380acp? Obvious differences in power aside, I don't have to worry about rimlock with my .380acp, and my LCP actually has an extractor, so if there is a failure, I can efficiently get the failure clear and back in the fight. The same cannot be said for your Berretta. (SIC)

And you would rather have a knife than an LCP? Really? If you can't see the fail in that logic then I don't know what to say.

As a primary carry gun, it does leave something to be desired, but most people are carrying them because they can't get away with carrying something bigger and more effective. In that case, it's a hell of a lot better than nothing (or a .32acp).

Oh, wow!

You know, you've got to come to the Internet for this sort of silly crap. In the entire 40 years I spent earning my living inside tough business environments, nobody - as in NOBODY - ever before accused me of either possessing or demonstrating flawed logic. So, I've got to ask: What are your academic or professional credentials? Rocket scientist? Nuclear physicist? Computer language developer? What?

(This should be good; AND, I already know that you're nowhere near a professional gunman.)

Listen, Junior. Hand me a 32 ACP Beretta, 'Tom Cat'; and I'll consistently shoot 25 cent pieces off a post at 5 to 7 yards. You're right about one thing, though: It is possible to get rim lock with a short blowback action. (Rim lock can, also, occur with many Glocks, too! Just depends on what ammo you're using.) Only problem is in 11 years, and about 1,500 rounds, I've never experienced any sort of stoppage of any kind while using my Beretta, 'Alley Cat'; and, as I've already mentioned: I DO NOT CARRY A SECONDARY PISTOL AS A PRIMARY. Why? Because THAT would be flawed logic.

As for the knife: Who do you think you're talking to? One of your internet pals? I've previously spent more than 30 years in a dojo and obtain a recognized specialty in short bladed combat. (I even wrote a well received book on the subject.) I strongly suspect that I was highly skilled with a knife years before you were even born.

[Metal Angel]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Oh, wow!

You know, you've got to come to the Internet for this sort of silly crap. In the entire 40 years I spent earning my living inside tough business environments, nobody - as in NOBODY - ever before accused me of either possessing or demonstrating flawed logic. So, I've got to ask: What are your academic or professional credentials? Rocket scientist? Nuclear physicist? Computer language developer? What?

(This should be good; AND, I already know that you're nowhere near a professional gunman.)

Listen, Junior. Hand me a 32 ACP Beretta, 'Tom Cat'; and I'll consistently shoot 25 cent pieces off a post at 5 to 7 yards. You're right about one thing, though: It is possible to get rim lock with a short blowback action. (Rim lock can, also, occur with many Glocks, too! Just depends on what ammo you're using.) Only problem is in 11 years, and about 1,500 rounds, I've never experienced any sort of stoppage of any kind while using my Beretta, 'Alley Cat'; and, as I've already mentioned: I DO NOT CARRY A SECONDARY PISTOL AS A PRIMARY. Why? Because THAT would be flawed logic.

As for the knife: Who do you think you're talking to? One of your internet pals? I've previously spent more than 30 years in a dojo and obtain a recognized specialty in short bladed combat. (I even wrote a well received book on the subject.) I strongly suspect that I was highly skilled with a knife years before you were even born.

You still haven't given a single reason why a 3032 is better than an LCP. If you shoot it well, then great, but that doesn't help anyone else does it? How about your knife skills? Do those help anyone else? Why try to convince the nice people of this forum that they would be better off with a knife than a firearm? You of all people, with 30 years of experience with a knife in a dojo, should know that most people are going to be massively ineffective with a knife. Not to mention if they are close enough to use the knife, they are close enough to inject several doses of lead into their attacker without needing the proficiency of a competition shooting grandmaster.

As for your credentials, they are pretty neat, but don't use them in place of a legitimate response.

And don't call me junior. I attack your logic, you attack me. Out loud, it doesn't make you sound as good as it does in your head.

[Haldor]

Originally Posted by Arc Angel

Someday, maybe, I'll understand what people see in these little secondary pistols that are all the rage right now? I don't know a single woman who owns or has fired a Ruger LCP that actually likes it.

My wife likes hers just fine. It is not a range toy, but it works with pretty much everything in her wardrobe. Her range/open carry is an XD9SC, so the difference in size is pretty dramatic.

[ithaca_deerslayer]

Originally Posted by FLFireLT

My wife has one and we have put about 400 rounds through it. The slide does loosen up but the trigger is long and heavy ( not a bad thing in our book). That being said we have had a lot of failure to feed issues, enough to deem it not reliable and are currently looking at a glock 26 for her just waiting to get to the range with a buddy that owns one. That or she is carrying my glock 23, she loves it even if it is a lot bigger.


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If by failure to feed, the slide is just not closing, try a stronger Wolff spring. I forget the pounds, but their website lists standard and heavier weights. Also try Hornady Critical Defense, as their pointy plastic tip may chamber easier than wide mouth hollow points.

But if the problem is with the bullet not even heading into the chamber, then I don't know. Maybe the feed ramp needs polishing or maybe the mags are bad. Just guesses.